A misunderstanding

[Krantarin]

I suppose I am being a little rude about it. Thanks for defusing it for me, Trav. Yeah, we'd just like two seeds-one of each. That's all our settlement is asking for.

[Blaze]

I think the problem with the dispension of new resources is that they are expended when gathering, have no other source of replenishment, and dispensed in too few amounts, as opposed to when mulberries where implemented. Either way, it looks like it has resolved, or will soon be resolved.

@Krantarin - I have no grudge with either side as I try to keep forum politics away from how I play the game. It's just that I see one side complain about the other's conduct, demanding they <insert action>, but give no solid inducement (Via bribery or carrying out of threats). So it escalates eventually ending with a deadlock, AFTER completely up-ending the thread(s) it took place in.

Those kinds of people greatly annoy me, please change those people in the next update.

[Delamore]

I will hand out seeds when they are harvested.

[Krantarin]

@Krantarin - I have no grudge with either side as I try to keep forum politics away from how I play the game. It's just that I see one side complain about the other's conduct, demanding they <insert action>, but give no solid inducement (Via bribery or carrying out of threats). So it escalates eventually ending with a deadlock, AFTER completely up-ending the thread(s) it took place in.

So we should bribe or threaten next time?

EDIT: And @ Delamore: If we were so rude (by standing in one place and not threatening for almost six hours) that you are going to keep resources from us, by the same logic, were you so rude that we should declare war on you? We certainly did nothing to you. You claimed the public land that we were defending proceeded to demand that we get off the land that we were on first and threatened to attack?

...And now at Blaze, does saying this mean I should go to war with them?

[Delamore]

@Krantarin - I have no grudge with either side as I try to keep forum politics away from how I play the game. It's just that I see one side complain about the other's conduct, demanding they <insert action>, but give no solid inducement (Via bribery or carrying out of threats). So it escalates eventually ending with a deadlock, AFTER completely up-ending the thread(s) it took place in.

So we should bribe or threaten next time?

Threats only work when the otherside is smaller or scared.

[Erik_the_Blue]

I plan to give these seeds out actually, the claim was to stop them all being taken.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions", as it were. If your intentions were clearly stated to those present, and those others trusted your honesty in regard to said intentions, then I doubt the following troubles would have occurred.

[Blaze]

You'll need to appoint a warlord to commence a war council, and I'm afraid you can't use the "Warlord" command on free officers.

...And now at Blaze, does saying this mean I should go to war with them?

That, you'll have to decide for yourself, I suggest you read Zurin Arcturis's "The Art of War Magic".

[Colbear]

If anyone wants seeds just ask.

I believe Krantarin would like some seeds, I'm asking on his behalf, could you please see your way to giving him one of each of the new types?

I'm Acathla.

We don't have any onions. We have claims on some of the maybepotatoes, but we don't HAVE any solidly, and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if someone ninja'd them all from the claim anyways.

Here's what happened from my perspective:

Spiff claimed the area and asked me to help him build a fence around it -- because he asked nicely, I did. While he was doing this, the other players were yelling at him, and ordering him about, while standing around in a way I found threatening -- they had weapons equipped, and were standing on his claim, and later destroying his fences and someone even tried to smash his hearth. Personally, I found them to be rude and unflexible. Additionally, it was clear that, if they wanted to, they could kill him and take it by force -- or even just take it by force, because a claim's hardly going to stop them (as they demonstrated).

They told Spiff to remove the claim, and that they were going to harvest the seeds. Because I don't know them, and because Spiff had a claim that I could access without leaving scents, I said that I (since I have a full nature spec) would harvest the seeds and give some to the guy who was asking for them, but that I was also going to be giving seeds to goons and the new group from 4chan. They disagreed and repeated their demand that Spiff remove his claim and let them have it. We went back and forth on this a lot.

At one point, they suggested splitting the crop 50-50, which I said wouldn't be fair, because there's a lot of people in the 4chan group, a lot of people in goons, and, apparently, only 7 people in pinevalley (3 of which were on the claim). I also pointed out that Laketown had very few active players, and had a private spawn, and that they could instead ask Laketown for seeds to share, but they refused. At one point they said they didn't trust me, and I pointed out that, well, I didn't trust them either, and if they really wanted to, they could still harvest -- and that since they outnumbered us, they could harvest MORE than half the plants when they ripened, leaving us with a small fraction of it, so there was no reason to remove the claim.

Obviously, the claim didn't really dissuade them, as they went around smashing stuff on-claim anyways. They claimed the moral high ground, stating that we were preventing new players from accessing them -- by contrast, my opinion was that a claim would be better, as that way we could ensure many newbies got a small amount, rather than one newbie harvesting everything (and if you don't think this is how newbies play, well... This does seem to be the playstyle at the beginning, especially if you've ever seen mass deforestation and a log's blocks/boards left on the ground to decay or turned into tons of clogs/buckets).

Spiff was upset because he wanted to build a cabin there, and eventually, Delamore (Bob Tim) got word of it through IRC and decided to intervene. He asked them nicely to get off Spiff's property, they didn't, etc, and things kind of spiralled out of control from there, so... *shrug*


Really, I think that a) you guys should have stood off the claim when Spiff asked nicely, and b) should have just ended this when I agreed with you (??) and said that you could certainly have two seeds each, and that I certainly intended to share this with others.

[ActionHank]

@Krantarin - I have no grudge with either side as I try to keep forum politics away from how I play the game. It's just that I see one side complain about the other's conduct, demanding they <insert action>, but give no solid inducement (Via bribery or carrying out of threats). So it escalates eventually ending with a deadlock, AFTER completely up-ending the thread(s) it took place in.

So we should bribe or threaten next time?

No, you should settle it peacefully and calmly by placing a claim over said goods so you can distribute the items yourself to towns/cities who plan to reproduce it instead of just letting random newbies eat it or something.
Goons were just protecting the new crops by placing a claim there instead of sending two "guards" who weren't even doing their jobs and just standing there who would have probably let new players take it all without even noticing them. Just because someone was doing the same job that you were trying to do but better doesn't mean they are "griefers".

[Colbear]

Honestly, if they'd just said "well, please save 6 seeds for us -- two for each of us", I'm sure once they got harvested we'd have earmarked them and held them in storage somewhere safe until we could contact them to collect.