HnH is brutal and infested with faggots

[Grable]

I liked the game. It's probably the best sandbox game. But u can't do anything if u started like 2 weeks after the start, cause u get owned by fags who don't sleep and eat, but play. Because of the people, this game is shit. U can't play this game for pleasure, it must be a job. If there were more restrictions and caps on skills i would give it a try, but now "wins the one who has no life, aka fagonerds and housewifes"

Exactly how I feel. Well said, would perhaps look better with less rage though.

This is what my friend wrote on this (from a very casual players view):

Not with the harsh realities that exist within the game, where drunk Russian assholes with items I could only dream of owning roll through and crush my little hamlet that took me weeks upon weeks of casual play to build. That is a big, big flaw.

Don't get me wrong- I love consequential games. Games with perma-death, games where victories are real and fleeting, even if they're only modest wins. But this extreme, and with no limiters on who kills or destroys who and what and for whatever reason? That's a breeding ground for assholes.

Let me quantify it. If there are five casual gamers (like us) making a village, but one hardcore player can roll in and CRUSH us with no problem or risk to himself, I have some serious issues with balance. That is stupid game design, and horribly imbalanced. Yes, he should be able to beat us one on one- he's put in the time, we haven't. Maybe even beat two of us, at least if we lack the player-skill to win (like Mount and Blade). However, in a world with, literally NO repercussions, in a virtual world people will return to wretched anarchy and awfulness (read: 4chan).

No balancing factors were put into place. Poor choice on the designers' part.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

There is only one insight I wish to add that may be related to this. It is difficult to retaliate against those that attack you, not because you died and only retain 25% of your skills but more because it is quite a shore to try to siege the village they are in with a very low chance of the ram surviving. Even then, some of them are capable fighters even when not attacking.

Off-topic, I find throwing the insult, having no life, a tad bit ironic.

[TeckXKnight]

Oh, okay.

Though in terms of legitimate discussion, there are major issues in terms of siege and damage done. Raiders should be rewarded for raiding; you should be able to exert your will unto others for profit and to bestow detriment. As it is though, the damage you do is simply too high and any form of retaliation is pretty unrealistic. Not just because of current siege mechanics but because a raider who focuses on combat will always beat that hermit who does nothing but farm.

You don't simply take some of the enemies wealth, you burn and raze it all. All work put into a home is taken, not just wealth. Defenses, crop quality, cattle, facilities, everything. In Haven, while we do invest in our characters, they are not truly what is valuable. Our industry, more than anything else, is what makes us powerful. So as it is, even a simple mistake or bug exploit and everything is gone. This is more than a tad bit brutal. Then again, maybe this brutality is what's intended?

[bmjclark]

Honestly, theres no real reason for someone to get into ur wall anyways short of bug abuse. If you neglect to patrol ur wall daily, ur probably gonna get rammed and imo you deserve it. It's brutal because it's painfully easy to protect a brickwalled area. I don't mean to sound mean, but it is true. If you actually don't have the time to log on daily, or ur play time is small, ur probably better off joining a small village for protection after u learn the basics.

You are right of course about a hermit that only farms though. Not a whole lot he can do to defend himself. But you'd be surprised how far a few points of UA will go towards killing some of these random murderers. I spend a lot of time tracking scents to online people (more in world 5, but i still track them when i see them), and most of the people i run into are bear caped / necro robed guys who think they're all big a strong because they killed a noob. Un-surprisingly, they flee the moment they get aggro'd. A lot of people are too afraid to lose their character to fight a 1v1, so just having 100-150 UA would probably scare a lot of the noob raiders away.


Now, i assume the OP is probably not at this point yet, and my money says he died out and about, probably with a key on him, and is now fucked. But still.

And, i'm not arguing against the fact that criminal acts are pretty well impossible to punish (short of tracking people online, but who leaves their vault anyways? )


(reading back through my post, it sounded a little hostile, i didn't mean it to. I get a bit angry-sounding when i'm trying to make a point )

[IHATEFAGS]

What can u do if u get killed from 1 shot being inside a pali-area? i don't even see him, run around and he strikes from nowhere and takes me out from 1 shot... this is all being on the edge of the world, where you boarder the map. There is no point of ressurecting for me there again, cause he will come again and have fun once more. I wanted to see what the game offers further, not that killing a bear for an hour, but more further in crafting and development. How is it possible if u get killed so easely, cause one fag has mm at 100 and a high q sling? U can't even hide, cause fags keep patroling and searching newbs only to satisfy their ego, cause in real lifes they suck dicks purely theirselves, cause even gayest gays won't bother them...

[bmjclark]

. These real life insults coming from someone who is getting so mad about a video game. You know why people kill in this game? It's fun. You know why people rage on the forums and sink to real life insults about dying in a GAME? Because they have the emotional stability of a spoiled 6 year old. You know how you avoid dying to a sling? Wear armor. How to survive a bow/rbow? Pay the fuck attention while you're playing a game that involves permadeath. It's not the games fault ur dumb.

[burgingham]

The OP has no valid points since he is raging for the wrong reasons. The game is flawed and needs some serious overhauls before it is worth playing again. Still some hermit should simply put always loose against an organized group of people. The reason for which they are killing you does not matter at all since the game does not judge, only players do. So if you want something done about organized factions of raiders then do it yourself. Only when you do that and when you do it right you will get to a point where the games real flaws are revealed as mentioned by TeckX and Patchouli. One could call it a double imbalance: On the one hand it is too hard to siege a raiders little fort and on the other hand it is too easy to raze months of work in a valid town.

The OP however only has the typical noob rage we have heard a thousand times of players that need to be spoonfed by their generic kitty-wonderland MMO. Dust off, team up with a group of people as pissed about those raiders as you are, hide somewhere (yes that is possible) until you know how to hold a sword and then stab them in the face and don't act like a little girl. Insulting people to have no life in a games forum is the lamest rage in the book.

[IHATEFAGS]

:roll: . These real life insults coming from someone who is getting so mad about a video game. You know why people kill in this game? It's fun. You know why people rage on the forums and sink to real life insults about dying in a GAME? Because they have the emotional stability of a spoiled 6 year old. You know how you avoid dying to a sling? Wear armor. How to survive a bow/rbow? Pay the fuck attention while you're playing a game that involves permadeath. It's not the games fault ur dumb.

Have you ever thought that maybe a 30+ yearold guy, who invested probably 20+ hours in a game and lost everything in 1 second, whose time is more valuable than i bet yours (little 18 year old faggot) - can be in rage? This game just took 20 hours of my life and wasted them, cause small retards like u have plenty of time and no nothing but to KILL. Bitchfag, it's nap time, so shew!

[TeckXKnight]

As a new character you are fragile in a world that is, very specifically, designed to be hostile towards you. Skills such as 100 MM are actually really easy to get even for a casual player in a short amount of time so pointing them out as imbalanced and something only no-lifers acquire only further underlines how new you are to this environment.

It sounds like your big qualm lies in the fact that you died and you feel incredibly emasculated. Good luck with that.

[Onionfighter]

Have you ever thought that maybe a 30+ yearold guy, who invested probably 20+ hours in a game and lost everything in 1 second, whose time is more valuable than i bet yours (little 18 year old faggot) - can be in rage? This game just took 20 hours of my life and wasted them, cause small retards like u have plenty of time and no nothing but to KILL. Bitchfag, it's nap time, so shew!

Chalk it up as a learning experience. Anyway, it's a game. nothing you do in it is going to last. It's all about the experiences.