Feminism

[Ninijutsu]

Feel free to shoot me down guys XD

I'll take a bullet for you after that paragraph. Well said.

[Saxony4]

obligatory post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA

[Eemerald]

being a feminist isn't about getting into a bitch fest, it isn't to find acceptance from others, or any other bullshit often spewed about it. It is about supporting women's issues and women's rights and there's still a lot of work to do in that area worldwide. I realise being referred to as one is one of the worst things to label yourself as often, especially online! god forbid we have feminists in here!

That's not to say men don't have a ton of shit to deal with but then again, men can also create a movement. the fact there isn't one doesn't mean a feminist movement isn't required and would make me presume that men perhaps don't need a movement to support them because maybe, just maybe, society already benefits men more than women in many many things.

Anyhow...

Well said, Em, but prepare for a shitstorm now XD
My opinion on feminism, if you choose to accept it, is that it can't be helped. People will always subconsciously judge someone based on gender, no matter how nice you are and no matter how much you claim to. You probably don't even notice it, it can't be helped. Its simply a thing hardwired into our brains through evolution. The fact is, men and woman both evolved in certain ways to fulfill certain roles in a household. That does not mean a woman needs to cook or a man needs to work, and we've gotten to the point where we aren't deliberately sexist, but you can't lie that if you saw a female construction worker lifting heavy loads, you would think something was off, no matter how hard you tried.

This is why in rural and poor countries, women are still mistreated; because the roles are still in place, and people still fight for their lives, which is what we evolves that notion for; to stay alive and reproduce. In first world countries, the notions have died down to the minimum of what was hardwired because we are overpopulated and no longer have to fight to survive the way we used too.
Sorry for screwy spelling, I did this on my phone and my thumbs are so big they literally hit 3 keys at once. I edited it like 12 times to remove errors XD

Anyway, feel free to shoot me down guys XD. Flame shield; ON.

it seems to be a popular subject for debate recently, everywhere I go people bring it up, I just don't get the controversy.

im also of the belief men and women are different, but that doesn't mean there should be inequalities in the main aspects of our lives.

[ValerieHallaway]

Education is the backbone of society.
An educated mind can and will use their knowledge to make a life for themselves and their constituents and their dependents.
In first world countries education is made available to everyone, it is required up to a certain age, and is encouraged well after that age.
In countries that do not have the infrastructure to support this practice often get left deciding who would most benefit from what services they do provide.
It is a part of our culture and it is a part of our nature to protect our wives and children. Through out the ages, in times of war and tragedy, men sacrifice themselves to protect them, when the titanic sank, who was left behind?
This is the same for everyday life. Men protect women in these countries by risking life and limb to bring home what little food and money they can provide.
In a world where there is no OSHA, no government mandates or common law to protect you, work can be a dangerous aspect of life. The outside world is scary when you aren't taking a senic tour.
Men work. Men provide. This is what makes them men. And that is why up until a very recent change, men where the ones receiving education in these countries.
I don't know if you are aware, but under islamic law, men must provide for their women and children. Food, shelter, and the necessities are his duty to manage. Women on the other hand, are told that they do not need to do this. If she wanted, she could refuse to work and let her husband and children all starve. She could go to work earning more than her husband and hold the funds to use as she pleased. This is the known and accepted practice all throughout the middle east.
Each woman in the classroom, means that there is a man she has replaced who will now no longer be a skilled worker, and will not be able to get a job in a very competetive market. If he does, you can bet the work will kill him sooner, and this in turn means that in exchange for one woman's pride and happiness in a skilled position, an entire family suffers.

[ValerieHallaway]

In Sweden, women have won.
They have all the best positions in legislation, and the men still in power are all eagerly going along with them to remain in power. Decency laws are in place that make a man pee sitting down. Any school in the country can ban gender pronouns and self identifying words. There is no 'girl' and 'boy' if they see fit. To refer to someone, you say 'friend' or 'they' instead of 'he/she'.
In advertisements you can often see confused looking boys in hero costumes playing with dolls, or at a pink tea set playing with makeup. Girls in pink princess dresses ride ATVs and are playing with tonka sets.
There's been an upsurge in sexual assaults and rapes-- not from Swedish men, from the muslim immigrants that have kind of taken over the streets and are raising as much hell as they want to since no one is stopping them.

There are a bunch of Feminist blogs that are taking about that first part and how it's a victory for womyn everywhere. I'm just like, yeah, sure thing -- you have fun with your 'victory dance' in an alley.

Shit's crazy over there man. Saw a vid on Live leak where a guy walks down the street and gets punked by like, 6 muslim dudes that come out of nowhere and beat the everloving crap out of him.

[Eemerald]

Education is the backbone of society.
An educated mind can and will use their knowledge to make a life for themselves and their constituents and their dependents.
In first world countries education is made available to everyone, it is required up to a certain age, and is encouraged well after that age.
In countries that do not have the infrastructure to support this practice often get left deciding who would most benefit from what services they do provide.
It is a part of our culture and it is a part of our nature to protect our wives and children. Through out the ages, in times of war and tragedy, men sacrifice themselves to protect them, when the titanic sank, who was left behind?
This is the same for everyday life. Men protect women in these countries by risking life and limb to bring home what little food and money they can provide.
In a world where there is no OSHA, no government mandates or common law to protect you, work can be a dangerous aspect of life. The outside world is scary when you aren't taking a senic tour.
Men work. Men provide. This is what makes them men. And that is why up until a very recent change, men where the ones receiving education in these countries.
I don't know if you are aware, but under islamic law, men must provide for their women and children. Food, shelter, and the necessities are his duty to manage. Women on the other hand, are told that they do not need to do this. If she wanted, she could refuse to work and let her husband and children all starve. She could go to work earning more than her husband and hold the funds to use as she pleased. This is the known and accepted practice all throughout the middle east.
Each woman in the classroom, means that there is a man she has replaced who will now no longer be a skilled worker, and will not be able to get a job in a very competetive market. If he does, you can bet the work will kill him sooner, and this in turn means that in exchange for one woman's pride and happiness in a skilled position, an entire family suffers.

please, I am very aware of what other specific cultures have and follow, and your dramatic description is not accurate. A womans education does NOT mean any guy is left on the shelf, since he too can be in the classroom. it is not a him or her situation. Men and women can both go and be educated and then find jobs, and often in other countries outside the west, this is often pushed on a guy because he is the money maker and often not on the girl because her place is at home. I know plenty of people who like that role, who are comfortable being breadwinner as a man and housewife as a woman, and that's a personal choice. cultural cosntraints however, often makes the other option less desirable and more difficult.

And I don't think feminism argues that men should play protector, it's simply how patriarchal societies work and still work to some extent. Men take on that role, when they don't need to, and sometimes as women we expect it, when we shouldn't. but again this is primarily a position men placed for themselves, and one which should and can be changed, at the very least in the West.

and yes, education is vital for both genders, in all communities, it doesn't however remove the many 'isms' from the treatment many people endure everyday, be it due togender, race, or whatever else.

[Eemerald]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg3umXU_qWc

good talk on feminism- not too bland either and from different cultural context than the west.

[Denkar]

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. I seriously doubt you will find many feminists in here, and even if you do, you won't change their mind.
And yes, Sweden is shit, so is the European Union, but making a thread about it won't really change anything. If you really want to change things, instead of sitting in front of a computer screen ranting about it, why not do something to actually try and change it? Join a political organization or something, there are plenty of things you could do.

Also, what is it with the political threads lately? I thought this was a video game forum.

[Ninijutsu]

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. I seriously doubt you will find many feminists in here, and even if you do, you won't change their mind.
And yes, Sweden is shit, so is the European Union, but making a thread about it won't really change anything. If you really want to change things, instead of sitting in front of a computer screen ranting about it, why not do something to actually try and change it? Join a political organization or something, there are plenty of things you could do.

Also, what is it with the political threads lately? I thought this was a video game forum.

Why does anyone argue anything? Because it's fun.

And I don't see why we should have to go to a political forum to talk about politics. This isn't just a bunch of people playing a video game, it's a community.

[Vaku]

And I don't see why we should have to go to a political forum to talk about politics.

Tell that to the mods! I'm looking at you, you Congress pruning losers!

In response to Denkar, threads like these agitate and challenge the thinking of others. They're necessary in changing opinion, and moreover, greater proliferation of threads such as this one allows for more individuals to be challenged. It's media coverage as any other—this is just one of the more backwater stations.

In response to the topic, Feminism is a blanket term that has many divergent areas of study, practice, and thought. As Eemerald remarked earlier, Feminism is, at its heart, a social movement for women, whom as a demographic worldwide have participated by and large as the subjects to male-dominated society.

To resign to a centuries old, and furthermore inconstant biological standpoint is to forfeit the concern that there is a problem with what has been called the patriarchy; the problem specifically being an asymmetrical representation and execution of power.

I won't be delving terribly far into this topic, as I have other social justice things to write about, but it's safe to say, that while explosive, aggressive, and extreme as some feminist movements can be, there is a sturdy foundation of oppression and atrocity that have long contributed to their expression.