Parents murder kid (discussion on death penalty)

[NOOBY93]

I've never been in favour of the death penalty for a variety of reasons, mistakes can and have been made, I don't see death as a punishment, more like the easy way out and I don't see that murdering someone for their actions makes us any different.

These two people are sick, I want to kill them too but is that justice?

The problem is we don't seem to have an adequate alternative, prisons are not the places they used to be, over here they have as many rights as the rest of us bar their freedom, they have tv's, books, game consoles and basically a life free from the daily concerns the rest of us have, if in there long enough they become conditioned to having everything provided for them and then can't adjust when released and end up committing more crimes just to get back inside.
I don't call this justice either.

To be fair, I have no idea what the solution is but both death and prison are too easy an escape for people of this nature. Being that they have their own severe problems probably the best solution is to 'fix' them and then let them live the rest of their lives with the knowledge of what they have done - on top of being incarcerated.

the solution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbRffBCeYw

[Flame]

Well, prison have to evolve. The basic idea is that humans can make mistakes. Some of them are really big, some aren't, but both needs an heal.

Why kill people in prison is stupid? Because you now have to imagine this:

I'm a human and i'm Weak. Once i was strong, once i was safe and mentally healtfull, but many things have corrupted my life and, in the end, i've made a mistake. A big mistake, because my anger and my sadness have killed my selfcontrol. Too bad, i see what i've done and i know that...
1 - ...i'll have a chance to regain my sanity, my life, my right to be happy, once i've payed for what i've done. I fear the prison but i fear more the dark or my life. I wish to live again.
2 - ...i'll have no choise. Death is waiting for me, people hates me and i know that i've no place where go, no reason to live. Then i decide to A:Suicide B:Throw away my mind and live all my emotions, to free myself from this heavyness and i stop to care for people. I'll kill more, my hopes are gone and all i have left are crazy emotions.

A big mistake have turned into MANY big mistakes, because an animal felt himself already dead, so stops to think and just scream against others.

Everybody knows that one should never trap a wounded animal in No-way-out corner.
Death penalty will not heal the cancer, this will only make it grow faster and worse.


I wished for death penalty in Italy, once. I was really sad and anger.
But i know, this is just what feelings makes us think. We should learn to think more, aside from feels, and heal the cancer with the mind, not the fangs.

[Kaios]

I am against the death penalty only because it's not the correct solution as Amanda had been saying. Death as the outcome for the worst criminals and most horrendous crimes imaginable isn't a punishment that is really suitable for what has been done in my opinion.

I guess basically that makes me sound as if I'm saying something like torture is the preferred alternative I suppose? Sounds pretty bad.

[Tonkyhonk]

I guess basically that makes me sound like I'm saying something like torture is the preferred alternative I suppose? Sounds pretty bad.

life itself is somewhat a torture for the victimizers who realized what they had done, knowing how they can never undo. death penalty is only effective as a punishment for those who never understand their own crimes, and it serves as a public example for those who dont want to die. the worst torture ever may be ordering seppuku. (its not as easy as terrorists self-bombing, but for some reason it was an honorable punishment compared to being executed in old days here.)

recently, there was a murderer here who asked for a death penalty at court. his motivation to random murders was to get executed because he wasnt brave to suicide to end his life, nor to live on. (not for fatal illness like the dead girl moved to oregon.) i didnt follow the news, so i dont know what penalty he got later, though. maybe he was sent to a hospital instead.

im split about what is better or worse as a constitutional mean of punishment, but i personally think having different views on it in the community is healthy, and we should probably keep on asking ourselves forever. possibility of false charges and rehabilitation - not sure if this term is appropriate here - should always make the head of powers think twice before giving a go for an execution, prior to the prison running costs. i think death sentence could exist as the final mean of punishment that hardly ever happens, and never for the community members to shout and let angers out. but this may be a bit too idealistic.


that said, if america or any other country or force manages to capture IS, what do you all think is the best punishment for all the atrocities they have caused? because i dont really think jailing them somehow is any way realistic.


p.s.
@overtyped,
would you please hide the pic of criminals in op? its just disgusting to look at.

[overtyped]

"Justice" is the equal or balanced compensation for a loss. You can get "justice" for someone stealing and crashing your car. A few years in prison for the violation of your property and compensation for your financial loss. You cannot place a dollar amount or anything else on a human life. And nothing you get will replace, bring back or equally compensate you for your loss. The death penalty is vengeance... So, while it is true that I do not consider the death penalty "Justice" but instead is "Vengeance". I believe Vengeance has value and can heal and can be "just".

So I want them dead, dead, dead...not because it will compensate (Justice) for that child's life...but because it serves a soothing, healing and just purpose....the satisfaction of vengeance when deserved AND desired by those who can be healed by it.

Those who do not NEED vengeance will not ask for it, nor seek it, nor get anything from it. Those who do, will. And if you have a problem with these 2 animals being used to satisfy that need, or denigrate those whom will find the satisfaction healing or of value...well, that's why we are humans and not penguins. I do not value your LACK of that need anymore or less than those who do have that need. And since these animals forfeit their lives by their actions, at least their death in the service of vengeance serves some purpose to someone besides sapping 50 grand a year to house the beasts.

Let me tell you what a fool you are. Let's say for arguments sake that there was a lesser crime done. Let's say you accidentally crash your car and kill someone, and the family of the deceased are equally as upset as the people who have been killed in this murder case. Would you think it just if you are murdered to make the people involved "feel" a little better? Life is already cruel, nothing of value is gained by killing two people that will never leave prison again.
Also I already said this but you didn't appear to have read anything I wrote so I will say it again. Executing a prisoner is more expensive than keeping them alive.

[Amanda44]

I am against the death penalty only because it's not the correct solution as Amanda had been saying. Death as the outcome for the worst criminals and most horrendous crimes imaginable isn't a punishment that is really suitable for what has been done in my opinion.

I guess basically that makes me sound as if I'm saying something like torture is the preferred alternative I suppose? Sounds pretty bad.

I know right?! I thought the same thing about myself when I read it back, it sounds like that, but, obviously that's not the right solution either - I guess I am in favour of Nooby's dungeons, a four by four with damp walls, a chain around their ankle, fed on bread and water and maybe prodded with a stick now and again! But, at the end of the day, what would that really achieve.

Really the only solution is to try and help these individuals in such a way that they are both aware and remorseful of their actions, whilst still being punished, as Tonky says, life would be a continued punishment for them once they realised and accepted just how horrific their crimes were.

[jordancoles]

You can be a sociopath as soon as you're able to walk for yourself.

Children can be seen bashing small animals with rocks or pulling the hair on the family cat fairly early on and it can be a sign that your child has sociopathic tendencies.
These kids hadn't hurt an actual person, but with the inability to feel empathy, responsibility and the lack of moral conscience, it is very possible that they will; without proper help/support.

You can be born a sociopath/become one early on the same as you could be born with any other mental disorder or disability and it can be completely unrelated to parenting styles.
By their logic, they should round up all of the sociopaths and kill them in a line.

But what makes them different from anyone else with a mental issue?
Why not offer them counselling services/medications that may have never been available to them in the past to help with what makes them act the way that they do.

Would they also like to round up all the children and teenagers with autism/schizophrenia/bipolar disorder and drown them in a sack with the people they would call mentally unstable?

[NOOBY93]

Would they also like to round up all the children and teenagers with autism/schizophrenia/bipolar disorder and drown them in a sack with the people they would call mentally unstable?

literally hitler

[borka]

There are no sociopath ( a massmedia but not a medical term) but humans with a disfunctional ventromedial prefrontal region of the cerebral cortex ...

@Nooby
literally not Hitler - his henchmen and technical advisors ...

[Flame]

in every topic of every argumen of everything, after a while hitler and nazis will pop up in the topic.

...everytime i see that THIS happens, i laugh. So damn real. XD