Sooo... Grinding?

[XkrikX]

this thread is just full of buthurt that they have to work to be stronger

[Potjeh]

Grinding is a part of real life. I was just born and i have nothing, that guy here is 30 years around here more then me and he got a car and a house, and he'll probably own my ass in a fight. thats life. but when i turn 20, i may be smarter then him and have made more money by then, or i may have the opportunity to stab him in the back when he is not ready, regardless of him "grinding" more.

On the other hand, I'm just 25 and I could take on a whole retirement home.

[DocDude]

It may be fun having your character a life span with stats modifiers by age, then it dies and you start over with the old dead dude as your ancestor


You can grind in real life and in game, but you having 80 strength score doesn't mean you'll own every single person on earth every time they fight you. even the best warrior in the world can lose a fight, be it by mere luck or by the fact that no matter how good you are with a sword, you wont survive a car running over you.

[Caliku]

An age system would be awesome.

Also this thread should be in critique and ideas!

[niltrias]

I second an age system. A long one, tho.

[Lothaudus]

Oh, and educate yourself on RPGs; MMORPG.
Stats dont magically appear. Again, you gotta work for it.

It is a well known fact that the "G" in RPG stands for "Grind", right?

Multiple Moron's Online, Repetitive Player Grind.

[Flame]

mmhhh

An old player have strenght - better equip - stats and so on.

An new player is a normal human and is ok that is weak. But in a battle, also tactic and mind can win. How can one do this?

With lots of Special techs, strategic Techs, based not on "how much stats you have".

Example
"The Big Evil Dude with an BroadAxe don't like to see that poor farmer walk around happy. HE NEED TO KILL HIM °[]°!
He walk against him and start the battle. The farmer that hd see that suspicius guy, is Smart or more fast with the mouse and use the tech "Sidestep" that REALLY let Miss the hit to the Big Evil Dude (now B.E.D.)
And when the B.E.D. miss, the farmer use the skill "Dust in Eyes!" to pit black the screen to B.E.D. for few seconds and he run away.
When the B.E.D. can see again, the farmer is gone. And B.E.D. can go to bed."

Now..is really lamer, my example. XDD But what i mean when i say Brain Vs Power.
Maibe Brain techs are usable for who is unarmed and without armor. When you have armor, your svantaged on that skills but you have vantage on other skills.

....mhh

My brain is hot. I need to stop or i'll explode!!
Hope it was usefull, bye. XD

[Delamore]

Sure a better equipped and more skilled warrior will probably own some random guy with a stick, but shit in our world can turn around and the stick dude still have SOME really small chance of winning.

No, the issue is not that some low level character cannot crit or some other stupid mechanic and ruin the work of someone higher up.
The issue is that you cannot substitute good gear and good skills for anything, neither tactics nor numbers work in the place of it, groups of players should have a chance against single high targets.

TF2 has crits and they are removed during any "professional" type play because a single crit can cause a better team to lose a match, It's clear that crits are bad for play that has anything at stake and Haven has much much more than a single game of TF2 at stake, normally 100s of hours.

[DocDude]

Battles are supposed to be risky. If you let that grinder know that he can just go and kill these Noobz without any risk he'll do it.

The question is if this game is trying to be realistic or just reward grinding? in wars of the real world people die, even if they are better equipped and trained.

Just letting the better grinder own every combat is really cheap and not fun.

[Delamore]

Battles are supposed to be risky. If you let that grinder know that he can just go and kill these Noobz without any risk he'll do it.

The question is if this game is trying to be realistic or just reward grinding? in wars of the real world people die, even if they are better equipped and trained.

Just letting the better grinder own every combat is really cheap and not fun.

Or you know let tactics and numbers help so the better grinder can get overwhelmed instead of making combat less common because you might get critically fucked.