Should Characters Be Able to Be Perfect In Every Skill?

[minck1]

500 Survival is probably overkill too.

Is 500 really what is considered end game? Aren't diminishing returns pretty hefty after around 200?

[sabinati]

the point i'm proving is that "it shouldn't be possible and it isn't currently and never will be"

[sabinati]

500 Survival is probably overkill too.

Is 500 really what is considered end game? Aren't diminishing returns pretty hefty after around 200?

of course it's overkill. but if you're going to be perfect? you'd have 500+ farming, so q500+ chickens, you'd need 500 survival (and of course a q500 cutting tool) not to diminish the quality when you butcher them.

end game is what you make it. it's a sandbox.

[Avu]

sabinati did you do the math on how much time you'd need to get q 500 chickens?

[VowOfSilence]

Yes, it should be possible to be "perfect" in every skill, if you're willing to spend enough time.
This way, more casual gamers can specialize in something and be good at it in a reasonable amount of time. But powergamers won't get bored either because they can go crazy and work on characters that are good at many things, maybe even everything. Few players will actually achieve that and they won't have an advantage in any one particular skill. I don't think it's much of an issue.

end game is what you make it. it's a sandbox.

this. Games like H&H don't really have a conventional endgame. There's no need to "max" several skills, or any skill at all.

[sabinati]

sabinati did you do the math on how much time you'd need to get q 500 chickens?

it would take about a year i guess? not sure how long it takes for the egg to hatch into a chick or the chick to become an adult, but i'm guessing 3-4 days. 100 or so generations of chickens is how many it would take with the most favorable results from the RNG / large enough chicken operations and selective breeding.

beside the point anyway.

[sabinati]

for what it's worth:

Strength 191
Agility 196
Intelligence 176
Constitution 208
Perception 167
Charisma 125
Dexterity 151
Psyche 36
Unarmed Combat 83
Melee Combat 110
Marksmanship 60
Exploration 46
Stealth 8
Sewing 197
Smithing 180
Carpentry 133
Cooking 104
Farming 170
Survival 170

[Avu]

Values
Strength 376
Agility 190
Intelligence 160
Constitution 210
Perception 190
Charisma 202
Dexterity 201
Psyche 17
Unarmed Combat 461
Melee Combat 20
Marksmanship 60
Exploration 100
Stealth 1
Sewing 100
Smithing 1
Carpentry 1
Cooking 175
Farming 233
Survival 200

The old me. 2 months and a half.

[Winterbrass]

No, it should not be possible to be perfect in everything. It would be nice if the game made it more expensive LP-wise to generalize, or cheaper to specialize, to the point where it would theoretically be possible to be 'perfect' in everything but that it would take at least 40000 hours to do so. (Yes, literally five years of your life pissed away to a game. Hey, if you're that 'dedicated', you deserve to be rewarded, I guess.)

[Devour]

for what it's worth:

Strength 191
Agility 196
Intelligence 176
Constitution 208
Perception 167
Charisma 125
Dexterity 151
Psyche 36
Unarmed Combat 83
Melee Combat 110
Marksmanship 60
Exploration 46
Stealth 8
Sewing 197
Smithing 180
Carpentry 133
Cooking 104
Farming 170
Survival 170

200 in each skill is pretty much as much as you'd ever need. That doesn't take THAT long to do. And it's just a bit ridiculous that people can eliminate having to interact with others due to the fact they can macro their way to victory or whatever.

Values
Strength 376
Agility 190
Intelligence 160
Constitution 210
Perception 190
Charisma 202
Dexterity 201
Psyche 17
Unarmed Combat 461
Melee Combat 20
Marksmanship 60
Exploration 100
Stealth 1
Sewing 100
Smithing 1
Carpentry 1
Cooking 175
Farming 233
Survival 200

The old me. 2 months and a half.

I mean come on, look at his stats. I have no doubt he could easily hit at least 200 in all of those within a week or two. How much LP do you get per hour, Avu?

Just tell us, sabi, why there should be no cap in game? ( Even a soft cap)
The pros:-
- People don't feel as forced to get perfect in every skill, and therefore don't have to feel like they have to be logged in all the time. This'd REALLY reduce stress on the servers.
- People have to rely on each other and interact.
- It builds up communities, allows people to still manage to survive / thrive.
The cons:-
- People can't become masters of all trades. ( To me, this is a definite pro. )
- Certain individuals feel it would reduce their effect on the game, because they can't spend inordinate amounts of time playing / macroing to get an advantage? ( Again, a pro to me. )