FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

[DatOneGuy]

Heh, I should read this forum more often

All ideas of macro writing we took from logs our insider in Sodom provided Also we was aware of all the exploits they know, and writed them to Jorb, with no success anyway...
We just got a one of best programers to write client for us.
Some of Sodom members was in AD in W4 btw. Also in W4 we had an person that spoken Korean and Russian perfect, this also helped us a lot.
Every major faction was at this. And this way it unavoidable. Only way to stop scripts was making all the fixes to make botting impossible at once. And thats impossible, because devs don't have time for it (or just lazy).

P.S. Maybe will write here how to pass brickwalls without ram, to make great drama in W5 Need to think about it...

At least you're admitting that you're really nothing and stole a good amount of your ideas directly from the greatest.

To be honest it's a bit pathetic because I was hoping that after W3 you would go on to actually do something, actually do some bug testing yourself and be cool, instead you did nothing but took our ideas for botting and quit when you couldn't anymore? That's pretty disappointing considering the fact that we actually considered you a rival at a time. If you were aware of our exploits you'd be aware that we always submitted them too.

sodom isn't better, they had bots from SUPER-SOHON.

I use bots personally and did even in W3, but they weren't as sophisticated, they were more like little scripts since the were written in AHK.

i actually spied on sodom for AD when i joined in w3. sorry burginham.

Also one more thing
Write here that Sodom members in W3 didn't used any exploits and bots... I wanna see it Any answer will be fine.

All that "lie" thing come from Sodom members from W3 to avoid the fact that Sodom is not so white knights, and AD is not an black evil. Everybody have his own truth from his point of view. You are just pissed from a fact we had spy. I don't care that you writing here that I saying not truth. Its enough that I have all the logs and read them, as did most of AD main members. Sodom members was blacking out AD for a long time, but for us was main point to know our truth.

P.S. I sleep 4-5 hours a day, don't have dreams, so no demon's hunting me, sorry to dissapoint I have great live, thank you.

This game give me fun mostly by social element. Not a fact to grind numbers and reach something, its all for me to make comunity and build something strong and amazing. I have found other game, more social, more free to make anything, free to kill anybody, its closed beta, but definitelly gonna play it after release. Right now working on to make scripts there, so there will be impossible to bot after release. (no, its not Xsyon)

Wait so now you admit for being lying betraying scum so called allies from the start? I thought it was only after juhu became innactive that relations chilled. Dude you need to keep a notebook with all your lies so they are straight. One good rule when lying is to not edit your lies over time.

This all started from selling jewelry and breaking our deal not to sell q1000 jewelry, because we even when Angkor, York or Neapolis asked us to make top thanes, was forced to say them NO, and now I sorry for not doing this. And yes, the fact that Juhebert left, put it all at dangerous degree. Because Juhubert was one who solved tensions diplomatically, same as I did from our side. You think I wasn't sorry to use a spy, to read all this... this broke relationship. If we didn't know the truth all this maybe go other way, but still it wouldn't change the fact who you are.

Sodom never claimed to use NO bots/exploits, we simply report the exploits first, as is the rules set by jorb and loftar, if you report them you can use them barring stupid shit like "Give myself 150mil LP for freeeeeeee". Sodom was rather carebear in W3 but it wasn't because we wanted to be white knights, but if you read the logs you'd know this. The 'lying' is true, you were pathetic at lying especially near the end of W3, claiming stupid shit that wasn't true and then turning around to have it proven false. Your lies were so easy to see through it was pathetic and the only reason you didn't get attacked, as you should know is because of this 'ally' status juhu made with you guys before he went severely inactive.
No game is impossible to bot, you'll simply come up with one solution, get it banned, and another will pop up, that is all. There is always a better way to do something, always an alternate way to do something, the ONLY question is whether or not it's worth the effort. Hell World of Warcraft is still getting hacked to this day, botting ain't so hard on it either. Even free to play games that use shit like GameGuard that's supposed to be oh so secure get hacked regularly.

4-5 hours of sleep ain't enough and not having dreams is not a good thing, it's scientifically proven. If it happens for over a few months you should talk to a doctor or psychiatrist.

No idea where your anger is coming from Agrippa, or are you just bored there is no drama in the hearthlands and felt it was time to play the good ole "bash the Sodomite" game again?

Darki and Hiro received those gold bars and still have them on their alts. I have never even seen them. Nobody of us here is trying to make politics or anything, it feels like you are eager to stir up some drama about something that has been discussed long ago already.
Again, we shouldn't have gotten the gold bars. They are pretty much useless at this point of the game anyway though. What would we even make out of them?

i aint been mad in a minute. i'm just doing this because i didn't get a chance to weigh in during the original drama and i don't like seeing you guys lie unanswered to the beautiful retarded children of the forums. and i'd be doing the same thing if the bars were given to haro port.

maybe you made +lp% rings with good pearls. maybe you made some thanes or dragon hats when you found silver (much easier than finding gold). someone's gonna talk about how these would be wastes of gold, but that's not the case. you're smart and i know you understand that q30 now can be much better than q90 in a month or two.

just quit lying about it. don't let it become w2's coal or w3's tobacco or w4's fighting robots.

Hasn't been used, it's going to be used. Of course it's going to be used, jorb doesn't care that it was given, it was his choice, and it's an alpha so realistically why are you caring so much, go find some bugs and report them maybe you'll get some gold too who knows.
For Ring of Brodgars there has been talk of just using them as their use grows over time, yes, but a lot of testing has to do be done with quality before it's risked.
When you consider the fact that we don't know when we'll see gold again (I don't even know how much we have), would you seriously just jump in all gungho and use it on RoBs? I'd rather save to try and find some pearls above q10 (maybe q30, those aren't SO hard to find) and raise my calf intestines/vinegar for the goldbeater's skin. Got no idea if it effects quality or not.
I'm sure jorb intended for us to just use it and go wild, but who knows what'll happen!

I just don't understand what's wrong with tobacco? Everyone used it, including A.D. (looking at <url> I can't imagine how else q1500 thanes can be done). And actually it wasn't Sodom who created jeweler who was able to reach q2000 mark (and she was far superior in base psy*smithing to that one from A.D.).

It can be done otherwise, it actually got pretty easy to raise base once tables got crazy.
Of course AD totally ignores how good tables were, uses them to go fucking nonstop raising their shit and turns around and calls tobacco a bug (while it was possibly unintentional, it was known and not fixed since beginning of W3). I don't doubt that they got to q1500 without tobacco, sharing characters and botting for starvation it can be done a lot easier.

P.S. @ Koya - You were never half of what you said, ingame or on the forums. Do yourself a favor and just go. I wasn't here W4 but I'd summise that the only reason that anything you might have said could have been true was because of your `bot army`.

[marvi]

It can be done otherwise, it actually got pretty easy to raise base once tables got crazy.
Of course AD totally ignores how good tables were, uses them to go fucking nonstop raising their shit and turns around and calls tobacco a bug (while it was possibly unintentional, it was known and not fixed since beginning of W3). I don't doubt that they got to q1500 without tobacco, sharing characters and botting for starvation it can be done a lot easier.

Look at his farming. I think they stopped to raise jewelery q at some point and focused on getting q1000 seeds. So I believe they made this screen near the end of W3.

[Haba]

Write here that Sodom members in W3 didn't used any exploits and bots... I wanna see it Any answer will be fine.

Yes, Nightmare, TroYy, Bigfish and warri did use "bots" early on (loom macro). Biggest advantage we got from that was warri's 200 survival. Then came the hunger update and warri died the instant he logged on. Bigfish only used the loom macro to grind 10+ alts.

All of the above quit sometime before or after the hunger update.

After that, there really were no decent macros any more. There was that soil/clay digging thing, but that was actually reported by a Sodom member and got fixed. A handful of people did use the "feature", but the LP they gained was negligible (and was mostly used for alts).

I did buy a whole lot of ink-weed for a specific reason, but again - the LP gained from maps was less than what I'd made from hunting. The only reason why I bothered with that was that it gave me an excuse to trade at 'nople.

As for exploits...

We had a brick breaker, so we didn't need to bypass walls. Did try that bed trick at BHB, but that was just to troll the fools camping the mansion.

We did use tables, tobacco and weed - just like everyone else. The issues with them were reported multiple times by different people. And it is quite silly to claim the way a functionality was designed "bug use" - everyone had the equal opportunity to raise their crops.

So there we go, to my knowledge none of the sodomites active at world's end were actively macroing/botting nor were they using any exploits that I am aware of. They got where they were through hard work and dedication.

Things today... they are different. KlauE has a good reason to be angry:

[19:56:40] Haba: so comrades how go bug exploit
[19:56:48] Haba: we make gold ring, yes?
[19:57:01] Esseg: yes
[19:57:04] Esseg: Q2000 with tobacco
[19:58:36] Windforce: We managed ot dup the gold and turned 1/2 of it to silver
[19:58:47] Windforce: and we made 20 Dhelms and Thanes
[19:59:08] Windforce: going to dup somemore gold and pave the roads gold
[20:00:51] Haba: good good comrade windforce
[20:00:58] Haba: jorb spawn more gold yes?
[20:01:06] Windforce: yes
[20:01:12] Windforce: and silver too
[20:01:29] Windforce: we also each got that whale thingy darki/hio got
[20:01:50] Windforce: so we all have 1k UA 1k Melee and 300 MM now
[20:01:51] Avu: who cares about that, guys I want to talk about my feelings!

[kLauE]

Nah, just wanted to hear that you abused any kind of bots and exploits. thx for that

[DatOneGuy]

Nah, just wanted to hear that you abused any kind of bots and exploits. thx for that

You don't?

[kLauE]

I don't use bots to get an unfair advantage like sodom did.
And i gave it up to post bugs, since you won't get a reply from loftar.
It will take them months to fix it, if u don't exploit them all the time, like the housebug.

[DatOneGuy]

I don't use bots to get an unfair advantage like sodom did.
And i gave it up to post bugs, since you won't get a reply from loftar.
It will take them months to fix it, if u don't exploit them all the time, like the housebug.

Housebug? The leaving house and ending up stuck inside a cilff or something else? Wasn't around W4

Just post then exploit, they ignore everyone to some extent, that's why you have to exploit it after so they fix it.

Which bots did we use for unfair advantage?

[cobaltjones]

Housebug? The leaving house and ending up stuck inside a cilff or something else? Wasn't around W4

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14373

EDIT: Nevermind I just realized you're asking him a question. Yes, the "housebug" uses the same concept as your originally posted bug, but then by sprinting in place you're able to dislodge yourself from the cliff. Hence, building houses on cliff edges became a clever way of infiltrating villages that uses cliffs as walls.

[DatOneGuy]

Housebug? The leaving house and ending up stuck inside a cilff or something else? Wasn't around W4

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14373

EDIT: Nevermind I just realized you're asking him a question. Yes, the "housebug" uses the same concept as your originally posted bug, but then by sprinting in place you're able to dislodge yourself from the cliff. Hence, building houses on cliff edges became a clever way of infiltrating villages that uses cliffs as walls.

Who the fuck told the idiots to use cliffs as walls.

[cobaltjones]

Yeah, that was the general consensus when the exploit was originally posted.

"lol at someone being lazy enough to use a cliff as a wall. Good work."