Okay, Shockedfrog, We Can Take The Trees But...

[Wooteh]

It's hard to know what the hell shocked frog wants. First he wanted to become powerful by sabotaging everyone more powerful then him, or something. Then he wanted petty revenge for insults. Then he wanted bribes to go away. Then he was helping test the alpha, and now he's sabotaging us because we have more friends than everyone else. And I think somewhere he was doing it because we weren't going batshit and setting up insane preventative measures to block anyone from griefing. And somewhere I think he was doing it because we we're in a far out ring and getting lots of XP from killing animals there. I don't think he's ever wanted to join us though.

[shockedfrog]

I only said I wasn't using that place AFTER he blocked it, at the time he deliberately set out to block me.

Lies and slander? For starters, whoever started the crap about me planning to kill off newbies going to bottleneck, and everyone who accused me of deliberately attempting to get john stuck.

I didn't bring my main all the way to bottleneck because the alt's death took ages since nobody had murder, and I totally needed sleep at the time having been up for the last 30 hours or so, so I just killed him off with far faster leeches. I didn't realise there'd be so much demand for me to die in a particular way, though considering the way the original death was reported completely differently to reality, I suppose I should have recognized that.

Raptor - I think that too, but it's all a matter of when.

Devour - Please refrain from those kinds of comments, it should be obvious that they just inflame things. For what it's worth, I'm very fussy about who I consider friends and find caring about more than the few with whom I'm genuinely compatible to be more trouble than it's worth. I appreciate that isn't to everyone's taste, but I'll never understand those who seem to rate friends in quantity over quality.

sonerohi - I've said I'd happily work together with a few, but there's no way I could ever have joined the full group, even before I realised what some of them were like. All I would do in a group like that is achieve nothing and disappear, which is cool in many other places but here I have bigger plans.

Wooteh - The whole bribes to go away thing has been misunderstood, it was brought up as a suggestion for alternative ways of dealing with me in-game. I'm not entirely sure there's anything they could offer that I'd actually be interested in, especially nothing in the way of items since I already have everything I think I want for now. I think the simplest way of putting what I want is that I want all this resolved in a way that leaves everyone free to just have fun playing the game as it's intended, but that seems to become more complicated with every action performed by any of us.

BTW, I've recently been informed that someone has stolen some stuff from Bottleneck and left a parchment and a frog in its place. This is something I intended to do at some point, but bizarrely it appears someone else has beaten me to it. If this was your doing, I would love to hear from you.

[Hamel]

I only said I wasn't using that place AFTER he blocked it, at the time he deliberately set out to block me.

Once again, so? What matters is that he hasn't stopped you from logging in. So quit complaining about it until he does.

I think the simplest way of putting what I want is that I want all this resolved in a way that leaves everyone free to just have fun playing the game as it's intended, but that seems to become more complicated with every action performed by any of us.

The thing is, we are having fun playing it. If anyone isn't playing the game or having fun, it's probably you. Most likely because you're all caught up in ruining things for us, and failing horribly, may I add.

[sonerohi]

Shockedfrog, may I enquire as to what these larger goals of yours are? And how do you intend to acheive them?

[niltrias]

I look forward to the day when conflict with B12 is no longer necessary, because it is becoming unfair to those who do have some respect for things, not that I expect anyone to see me as awesome but simply respecting my rights as a player, recognising where there's hypocrisy, not falling for the lies, and just generally keeping things fun, not taking them too far. There are a number of those players, and I'd happily work together with them, something I think they'd probably find quite helpful too.

Although I like the conflict with you shockedfrog, I dont care much for your posts. They just dont make sense, and they are hard to parse. This first paragraph is a good example. Lets have a look.

I look forward to the day when conflict with B12 is no longer necessary

Necessary? Not only was it voluntarily started by you, you had to go well out of your way to do it. There is nothing "Necessary" about it. Its fun for you, not necessary.

because it is becoming unfair to those who do have some respect for things

What is "it"? how is it becoming unfair? Who are these people who have respect and what are these things for which they have respect? Argh. This kind of fuzzy thinking makes my head hurt.

not that I expect anyone to see me as awesome but simply respecting my rights as a player

The "not seeing you as awesome" as alright. What are these "rights of a player" that are being violated? Arent you the one who keeps saying that you arent violating rights, but just playing the game? Now you are the victim? facts, please. When and where and how were your rights violated?
Argh. I give up. Your posts just dont make any sense. Im going to look forward to the in-game conflict with you and avoid your forum posts like the plague.

[Blaze]

There's no rule saying not to steal or sabotage other people's things, and there's also no rule saying they can't despise you for it. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, therefore, spanking.
/argument.

[theTrav]

From the nature of his posts (fuzzy speaking, difficult to read, talking in circles) and additionally the fact that there's about 14 pages of this crap, I'd say it should be obvious to most people that shocked frog is what we like to call a griefer-troll-pain-in-the-ass-drama-queen.

Your best bet from this point on B12 (and everyone else) is to ignore every thing he posts and not respond at all.

He WILL answer everything you post, he WILL attempt to draw you into long arguments and you WON'T ever get through to him because he isn't here to reason, he's here to argue.

Please just let it go and stop responding to him, that's what he craves.

[niltrias]

From the nature of his posts (fuzzy speaking, difficult to read, talking in circles) and additionally the fact that there's about 14 pages of this crap, I'd say it should be obvious to most people that shocked frog is what we like to call a griefer-troll-pain-in-the-ass-drama-queen.

Your best bet from this point on B12 (and everyone else) is to ignore every thing he posts and not respond at all.

He WILL answer everything you post, he WILL attempt to draw you into long arguments and you WON'T ever get through to him because he isn't here to reason, he's here to argue.

Please just let it go and stop responding to him, that's what he craves.

I agree. This is my last post here.

[shockedfrog]

While yet again resorting to unnecessary insults, Trav does probably have the right idea. I've made it clear I want an end to this and I would be very happy not to have to respond to any more of this crap here either I'm going to get back to actually playing the game, if anyone has anything to say or needs to know something, take it to PMs where we can avoid those who, whether intentionally or not, have caused this situation to spiral out of control.

[StarChaser]

Best to avoid PMs. They tend to aggravate the situation. Believe me. Speaking from experience.