Does God Exist?

[Nask]

Look to the top right side of 1 dollar, around the 1 number, THERE IS A MOTHERFUCKN OWL. Isnt that ironic...

Yea i know, the U.S. has to do alot with Masonic shit...
btw, you should read those numbers MDCCLXXVI = 1776

American revolution = 1776

anyway, we are talking about god, not about masons

[evilboy666]

illumunati has nothing to do with america, 1776 is when illumunati is born, NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM means new world order. annuit coeptis had something either but i forgot.

[Horatius]

Late to the party, but anyway...

I don't believe there is a god. However, I think there are actions that can be classified as good and those that can be classified as evil. A good action would be helping someone in the most basic sense, but it also encompasses other things such as experiencing a sense of community where everyone shares bonds of friendship and the willingness to help the others in times of need. Generally, a constructive (and in the extreme altruistic) connection between two or more humans that is based on their own free will. An evil action would be the opposite. An action that - while it may not be illogical for the person who performs it - aims at personal gain or possibly even simply destruction for the sake of itself at the cost of others.

I furthermore think that the former actions can be rewarding in an intrinsic way, giving the person who behaved in a good way a feeling that I would describe as divine. The same could be true for a person who performs an evil action and finds great joy in it. We have no inherent connection to a god, so this is the closest you get as far as natural spiritual experiences go (without the use of natural or artificial drugs, illnesses that play tricks on the mind, etc). I find it silly to argue for a god if you don't even have a reason on a personal level to argue in his favour. Having a feeling of divinity could however lead one to the belief that there is something more and greater to achieve (maybe even connected to a reward like entering heaven) and also offers a more direct connection to our distant ancestors (knowing they too have always experienced these feelings even though the conditions of life must have been different for them). I guess it is a better explanation than saying that the world is so complex that it must have been made on purpose. Today science offers enough answers to things that must once have been mysterious to mankind. And every gap just makes people inventive enough to find a natural explanation for it. While they could also explain the reason for your emotions they could never take the feeling of it being something sacred away.

Blind Faith has brought about some pretty retarded constellations in history. Just yesterday I read about suicidal christian people (in europe around the 17th century) who believed they could not simply jump off a bridge because they'd end up in hell (suicide as a terrible sin). Instead they commited murders so they'd be punished with death by the local law system. According to the teachings of Martin Luther repenting their sins at the day of their execution was their ticket to heaven. Some of the more narcistic individuals even used to put on a grand show on their day of death and earned the admiration of other people who visited the execution for being such a faithful person.

While the bible has been taken way too literal by people over the centruies it is more or less a book about proper behaviour in my fantasy. As a kid it didn't make any sense to me (and if someone would throw a bible text at me I'd probably feel very alienated again, haven't seen one in quite a while). I thought the stories had no or little connection to our lives today but I've come to the conclusion that Jesus may just be the sort of revolutionary guy in the story who tells people off that what they're doing is plain shit and wrong. Spreading teachings of compassion, empathy and showing people how to think for themselves. I remember a scene where he went to the temple mountain and toppled tables with gold that has been collected by the pilgrims, exposing the priests as liars who work into their own pocket. With him at the end of the bible story getting executed by local authorities to maintain the status quo. While the whole story seems exaggerated and quite colourful it could have been to make it easier to understand for the people it was invented for (and to impress them), or maybe it was just changed several times through oral tradition.
Today's church is of course in no way like the way I picture this. It's probably more like the temple in the story where priests gather gold on their offering tables. It was an institution hungering for power in the middle ages already which has been the reason for many surpressed uprisings and the split into protestants and catholics (which in the end was more or less a political revolution breaking up the traditional medieval society). The church I had to go to when I was a kid didn't even have the sense of community that I mentioned earlier. The few people that came to visit were more like robots who did their prayers and left again afterwards. Only special events like eastern actually attracted a more merry mass of people where some would engage in conversations.

[evilboy666]

I don't believe there is a god.

You dont have to right a book. Thats what i read and stopped. ATHEIST.

[Horatius]

I don't believe there is a god.

You dont have to right a book. Thats what i read and stopped. ATHEIST.

Life can be quite simple for some I guess.

[UberGamerLeeway]

I don't believe there is a god.

You dont have to right a book. Thats what i read and stopped. ATHEIST.

And there's something wrong with not believing in some sort of being greater than you but has never once presented itself to you? Yet you believe everything from a book written by men, NOT a god. Whose silly there.

[borka]

funny how this discussion goes about believing...

For the threads title question i just can give one answer only:

I don't know!

That's what i know for sure

[evilboy666]

I don't believe there is a god.

You dont have to right a book. Thats what i read and stopped. ATHEIST.

And there's something wrong with not believing in some sort of being greater than you but has never once presented itself to you? Yet you believe everything from a book written by men, NOT a god. Whose silly there.

We belive the god from holy books and we think that everything we see is an evidence of god. Im asking you atheists, where is your fucking evidence.

PS. No matter where you make this debate, the proposition will win. though the motion should be "There is God".A question is weird.

[shotgunn902]

As long as children being raped and murdered is evidence of gods nonexsistance im okay with this.

I just personally see no reason TO believe in god. This isnt saying there isnt one nor would i ever believe in one theres just no pallatable evidence otherwise.

Religion has cause so much violence and intolerance coupled with the fact that i must go to a special building every sunday and apologize for being a human lest i burn forever doesnt seem like something an all knowing and reasonable god would do.

Therefore i have no reason to believe

I accept your beliefs if you accept mine

[evilboy666]

Life, is a test.To see if you are worthy enough to live in heaven or you deserve hell. You are sent to the world, with billions of other contestants. how you react with them, the one that lives by knowing what writes in Kuran or other holy book, Kuran isnt a rule book, its a book of advice. The ones that rape children etc. are the ones that lose. they will sent to the deepest layers of hell. It doesnt mean you will go to heaven if you dont rape a child either. You come here in a obstacle course and obstacles are other contestants and satan. There are words in Kuran about satan definitely will try to stop you thinking from the infinite life youll have after this one and addict you with pleasures of life. The children and the one that rape the children, the child surely doesnt want that. Thats adviced you not to do that in Kuran either. But its his choice to rape the kid, and go to hell. What you do to other contestants actually proves you. Because another word on Kuran is, God will forgive you for everything you have done, as long as the ones that are effected by your mistakes forgive you. The guy that raped the children, you can have no doubt on he will go to hell you can have my word. But god wont do anything effecting the test as long as effects outside the test try to do something. You dont think god doesnt protect humans. I havent seen a single ghost, devil or other creatures in my life sir, you seen any? despite there are maybe more than a hundred angry devil staring at you right now. Now you tellin me there isnt god?

If you still insist that i will ask you a question, no god means no heaven or hell. what are your plans when you die?
For me it is better to believe if i be bad i will go to hell and i be nice and go to heaven and live for ever in there, then you die, your body combines with earth, you become a grass, a cow eats you, and you are a shit now sir, have a nice day.