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[bmjclark]

That is just you making it up. I couldn't be any less bitter. You guys have just turned into some self-centered, arrogant circle jerk that cannot see the truth anymore since it would reveal those double standards you are playing with.

As I have pointed out before am I in the much better position to do proper critiqueing than you for the above mentioned reasons of you being so caught up in it.

And you're just an arrogant asshole who derails every single thread that involves us with the same "the game is broken" rant. That mod immunity .

But when people read that, and then you change the tone to "Well, really there's no other option."

There isn't another option. I'm just somewhat surprised at the backlash we got for using the same methods that have been used to deal with the shitty "siege system" that have been being used since world 4.

[Koru]

And saying there is a formal agreement of accepted exploits, bug uses etc. is fucking moronic. Like a retard's version of the 1980's MAD policy. And who decides these rules? That's right the bug using dicks themselves...hahahahaha. Just like the United Nations.

Um.. players? Since the beginning of the game there are bugs, exploits and tools to play safer and easier, some of them are arguable but still most ppl use them. Double gates? Drinking 10q water and plowing for FEPs? Tanning tubs? Using alts for specific works? Custom clients? Idol jumps?
I assume that as an inactive player you forgot all this stuff or you were not so fucking moronic like 99% of players to use them... hahahahahahaahahaha.

[ewlol]

@Valten,

This form of raiding is just a manipulation of the hearth vault system, or idea. I see no difference in creating a vault to shelter yourself from impending attacks and creating a vault to shelter your impending attack (why is there even a house in this bubbled ram?). This method renders it impossible to defend against the attacker. Now, you may say "Oh, they can use a live standing defense of warriors!". That's bullshit. You and everyone else knows that they don't stand a chance.

Furthermore, you are compounding this psudo-vaulted ram system with summoning/bed sleeping/whatever. Loftar said he wants to prevent any and all spawning on claims, so the bed abuse is just another exploit, and if you were to use a summoning method that is just more abuse. I don't see any possible way to justify this.

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Now for my own self-examination.

I realize my posts are pretty much worthless because development has ceased to exist in this game for quite a long time. My intention is not really to expose or point fingers at you/Dis/whomever or anything like that (what do I even have to gain? certainly not any "political" motivation here since I don't play), rather my posts are some twisted way of calling other players to examine their playstyles. Perhaps I just have some resentment about the direction this game has gone for the past 1+ years--resentment for my own actions, resentment for the decay of the game. Whatever happened to just raiding with a simple ram and using people's lack of vigilance against them (am I pretending that ever happened?)? Whatever happened to hesitance to raiding others just out of respect for their work?

As I look at this situation more I think I am just dreaming of some utopia game. Maybe the game should be a test of who can come up with the best strategies to raid by using the mechanics as tools. Maybe the game should be a race of who finds the first bug to abuse it and then get it fixed. I mean, whoever dreamed up the bug deserved to reap the rewards, right? It's all too complicated sometimes. That being said, I don't mean to insult or anything like that. I just am expressing my mixture of emotions regarding the whole thing. I think I have a right to do that, right?

[DDDsDD999]

it is pretty much the only possible way to siege a town right now because there really is no siege mechanic in place as you well know

Idk about that, you could ask Noaah and Mvpeh.

[Valten21]

I'm not saying you are wrong Mr. Canada, just that you have said, in essence, "You aren't playing, why do you care?" or "If you aren't playing this version of the game your opinion doesn't really count."

That sums it up to some extent. I should be sure to again clear up we by no means think the game is not broken, we are accepting it's broken and still playing, because heck.. Haven and Hearth even in this state for me at least is still more enjoyable then other games on the market. I will let the other players speak for them selves.

As for the... "You aren't playing, why do you care" comment, Bmjclark said it earlier and it should be said again (hopefully we can stick to it this time), we shouldn't generalizing people like that, because there is still a hand full of people I would hear out even though they are not playing this world. You might be one of them but I'm not sure if you are playing or not.

In one instance, we all agreed we should not listen to what Burgingham had to say about some in-game politics (if you even want to call them that) because he's not playing, and he doesn't really know what's taking place in game. A good example was him saying RiC was part of the Dis/Ainran "Circle Jerk" which ended up bringing tensions between RoK and RiC even though.... RiC is not part of our "circle jerk"

Finally, I think we are all kind of tired of Burgingham instigating this conversation over and over in almost any thread concerning Ainran and world 6. The same people arguing the same thing every time, I'll ask if you can possibly make just a single thread dedicated to how the game is broken and how we are breaking it even more, so we can still use the Congress forum for what it is intended to be used for.

EDIT: Thinking back it would probably be pointless to make a new thread, same argument, same people, same conclusion every time. Probably just leave Burgingham to his reign of tyranny over the forums and be content with mine in game

---- Will have a response for you in a bit Ewlol ----

[bmjclark]

it is pretty much the only possible way to siege a town right now because there really is no siege mechanic in place as you well know

Idk about that, you could ask Noaah and Mvpeh.

That was as much a siege as oddimonium getting betrayed and us coming through ur open gate was . The devs had to bail you out of the only siege attempt i heard of against ur town .

Don't really want to get into this though =)

[Valten21]

Good point, why don't you just tell us yourself DDD's.

[DDDsDD999]

That was as much a siege as oddimonium getting betrayed and us coming through ur open gate was . The devs had to bail you out of the only siege attempt i heard of against ur town .

I don't really see why you think a siege is a siege when you break a tile of wall which would just be repaired afterwards?

[burgingham]

stuff

So you are falling back on ad hominem arguments and generalizations now?

You see all I was doing in this thread was to explain to you what Ewlol meant and then you and Clark deteriorated to your usual passive agressive behaviour against me to then later come around again and accuse me of stirring shit up. Real classy. I gotta give you you got some talent to let people still believe you are a gentleman.

In one instance, we all agreed we should not listen to what Burgingham had to say about some in-game politics (if you even want to call them that) because he's not playing, and he doesn't really know what's taking place in game. A good example was him saying RiC was part of the Dis/Ainran "Circle Jerk" which ended up bringing tensions between RoK and RiC even though.... RiC is not part of our "circle jerk"

Yeah, you see that is funny. How can you even say I am not playing the game then? Apparently I still am better at this than any of you

Well, I already gave you the chance to continue the thread. Said I was out, but you simply cannot keep your hatred for me and that I am right in everything I say under control (God knows where that is coming from all of a sudden, you used to be a much nicer person. Goos puppet?). When you couldn't keep your mouth shut all I was asking for was why it is so damn hard for you to just go out and tell: "Yes, we are assholes, we do destroy the game for as many people as possible. Deal with it." Because that is what Ainran and Dis are all about. You cannot have the cake and eat it too aka act all nice and at the same time kill everyone.

You are trying to demonize me to cover up for your own abuses and shortcomings. Classical behaviour, but much too transparent to fall for it.

[Valten21]

I lol'd, you should look back in the thread, Ewlol explained himself, I answered, and you said I abuse exploits. I just looked back again, and you even went as far to say my answer had nothing to do with his question.