Is anyone "not" using a bot?

[LadyV]

Fine Ill sum it up to end this long winded brow beating exercise.

Bots are and advantage and do ruin the spirit of a game involving other people. However, they are not banned or rule breakers according to anything I have read. So in short you have an opinion one way or another and you should respect others.

Now as this conversation is moot and we have long deviated from civil discourse lets part with some level of peace.

[Tonkyhonk]

xcom makes a point of reporting all exploits to jorb. normally theyre ignored. but at least he reports them. and he does normally dot hreads to share those little details etc. aalso the crashing of the server happened through taming, not some ground breaking thing which was being done which is why he thought it was strange. again, he admitted it when he saw a pattern. but the server definitely should not be crashing by that.

friendliness to people who play the game is just general courtesy to people. be they 'abusers# or morally amazing.

also I never suggested everything done was of benefit to others, I have stated before it what makes the game fun for them. I merely stated a couple of projects which were for the benefit of others.

please have a nice rest and reply back with a clear cool head.

reminds me of the days how koya and russian players used to claim they had reported many bugs and gotten ignored by devs.
i do get to talk to loftar quite often, often enough to bother him with time-wasting trash and tibdits and its not just myself alone but some others who join in the convo which is mostly done in public. if you think they are ignored, ever considered why? why do they have to choose when devs are most likely asleep/afk/too busy, or when we all know that they are super-busy with coming salem udpates. doesnt it ever hit you that maybe deciding "ignored" without considering timing is rather selfish? they are not your servants, they cant come right up at your requests, yet they just chose to go ahead with "the experiments" only at their convenience and complain "we get ingored"?

as for crashing the server, romovs explained a bit about his "taming" and it wasnt just a normal taming. his "speeding it up" process caused the server unstability and crashing obviously, and he and xcom had to tame new sheep over and over for this abuse project. and you should be well aware that many players have been taming sheep in ways that did not cause the server crash.
even though they were probably not trying to crash it on purpose, apparently they were abusing the taming mechanics. (loftar confirmed it was not solely by taming later in public.) oh, and you are definitely not in the place to decide what should cause the crash or what shouldnt.

well last world is was about how I could say I am peaceful and have friends in towns which raid. which was kicked off by joojoo's consideration to join the town, which you have dug at a few times even after a very long discussion through pm. and I don't think I was rude or disrespectful to you there in sharing views on that. and since a few things on EC and this whole botting thing. the whole you are more of a moral and real player and we are not because we don't play as u do.

you felt like i attacked you many times? but ive attacked you for those two things only, which are basically one same attack against "we dont do this/that" crap when your friends do it for you that you approve of -that disgusts me more than the actual doers. i remember your noob days whining posts and i was actually impressed at your later work after you stopped whining and i even mentioned my respect to your "then-new" village when i was asked in #haven a few times. i previously only had respects to you before those comments of yours were uttered. that is why i chose to pm you for the further discussion, but it was like ... i was tryin to play a catch while you were playing a dodge and i gave up there.
if you want to take it personal, its your call and id enjoy your grudge. btw, i didnt start this one here, rather avoided at first, i just couldnt resist myself to reply back to that chocolate person mentioning him/her and you are in the same boat and you had to chime in to reboil it.


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The default client should have farming/hunger grinding bots by this point because it's so important and needed by everyone.

... or we could spend that time making better farming and hunger mechanics instead.

this really sums up how devs see this botting trend. if they approve of botting as a playstyle, why wouldnt jorb have agreed to joco?

Tonky, can you explain who are "they" and which projects are retarded, and which projects do you even know "they" did? U're just jelly cause people still find fun in this game, however they can.

Project numen zero had absolutelly 0 influence on the server population, no one knew anything until it was released and the exploit fixed. Just stop whining, please

ramones, if you can accuse me of being jealous, i can accuse you of continueing rmt and all the abuses and exploits more than your projects revealed without any proof too, you know me being jealous is the last straw youve got there?
"they" as in those xcom wrote in his own thread, so i dont have to "teach" you who and who, do i?
all projects that can be only achieved with botting is ridiculous.
you remember how many ppl cried when the server crashed? you cant call that "0" influence.
no one knew till released? ha ha, you wish.
you can stop whining about getting nothing but numens nuked. do you seriously believe devs would actually trust players blindly now?

[ramones]

Tonky, you're still whining, don't be mad, all will be fine

And yes, it had 0 influence on POPULATION, as I said. No one gotten any info from our side, so people that knew, knew it from the past I guess, but I believe there are not such people. If you know more, I wont argue, you always know it all As for server crash, blame loftar, not us

Trusting blindly someone that just joins the game or someone that is always reporting bugs and constantly gets ignored are two different things. And if you stick your fingers in devs ass in mirc chit chats, I can't help you there, I don't have time or desire to be 24/h online to catch loftars 2min per month there where he would ignore me anyway, I prefer he actually answers his PMs with "ok" or "fixed" instead of ignoring yet fixing the problem we report

And you didn't see me whine about numen project, I had fun and I expected this to happen, I'm just sorry/sad for xcom since he was the one pulling his teeth to achieve it.

And yet again, u need to clarify for yourself what abuse is. Its something you would gain advantage over other people. Would we? No, cause it was made for fun and for testing purposes and bragging ones, not to rule the world. There are peoplle who would kill for theese things and rape whole server afterwards, but to your disappointment, we don't fit there, sorry.

Please, tell me what do I need to send to Japan to ease your 27day per month period

[Tonkyhonk]

oh cmon, ramones, you are one of those who turned against their expectations in the past
and there are many ways to "win" the game, your desire for fame or bragging is another, just like "to rule the world" and "to kill everyone else". lmao @ testing purposes.

so, all you got are some name-calling and dirty shits. it really speaks who you are.

[Riot]

I don't think its a really big deal because I don't think you would be able to forage with a bot without the bot getting killed. All the other bots that would work wouldn't be really game breaking.

[Amanda44]

@ Tonky - I really don't want to get involved in an argument between the two of you ......(Em and yourself) ..... but ..... I have to just ask one question.

Am I disgusting too because I make friends with people based on their rl personalities and not on how they choose to play in game? After all, I benefited when Jordan gave me a merch robe that he stole from someone else. I admit I felt a bit guilty but not enough to return it, lol. If that had been Em, i'm pretty sure she wouldn't have even taken it!

Most of us benefit from botters when trading, we all benefit when Xcom does testing or creates amazing community projects, Em too does an awful lot for new players and the commnity.
Why when there are so many that bot do you always pick on Em, who doesn't even bot herself, lol, where are your tirades against other botters?
You said in the last argument you have friends who bot and I know players who play raiders that you are on friendly terms with, don't you find that a bit hypercritical?

That seems to have turned into three questions - so guess i'll shut up before it turns into more.

[naosnule]

oh cmon, ramones, you are one of those who turned against their expectations in the past
and there are many ways to "win" the game, your desire for fame or bragging is another, just like "to rule the world" and "to kill everyone else". lmao @ testing purposes.

so, all you got are some name-calling and dirty shits. it really speaks who you are.

Marry me, please D:.

[naosnule]

Fine Ill sum it up to end this long winded brow beating exercise.

Bots are and advantage and do ruin the spirit of a game involving other people. However, they are not banned or rule breakers according to anything I have read. So in short you have an opinion one way or another and you should respect others.

Now as this conversation is moot and we have long deviated from civil discourse lets part with some level of peace.

What if the spirit of the game is not what you think it is and that "botting", "bug use", etc. are all in the spirit that jorbtar intended for the game?

[windmaker]

@tonky, u want my bots? (i ask seriusly)

@ Tonky - I really don't want to get involved in an argument between the two of you .....

then dont do it..

so guess i'll shut up before it turns into more..

plz.

someone want try with me get q20001 nugget? "we can do it for fun and testing purposes", i just need people who help me running my bots.

[Lord_of_War]

First I'd like to say that ad homenum has no place in a debate. Seehttp://%20www.yourligicalfallacyis.com. This has gone far out of hand. I expect more civility of all of you. The gameplay mechanics are tedious and chore like. People botting those tasks is not the fault of the botter but is the result of the game mechanics incentivizing it. Xcom is probably corect in sayi g it started in w6 as a result if thw lag. If everyone was botting it would be no matter but it would also be a case of winning by botting the hardest. jorb has already addressed that the game is meant to be played not botted. That is why things need to change. Some people botting creates a standard of competition that is unattainable by non botters. I fear that soon only bots will be playing the game and no people. It's already happening for cranny. Forage botting does have an effect on prices and makes it harder for new players to produce something of value with which to trade. I can only assume that the majority of traders are in some way connected with botting. It's not EC having an effect on the world as everyone is probably now bitting. I'll try to add more as I think of it.