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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Tonkyhonk » Fri May 20, 2011 1:41 pm

now, this is getting very interesting.
Obama speech on new US policy regarding Middle East issue
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13461682
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Projeear » Fri May 20, 2011 2:03 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:now, this is getting very interesting.
Obama speech on new US policy regarding Middle East issue
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13461682


In short:

Osama is the scapegoat for all the wars that have been cast in the middle-east. Now Osama is dead, so is the regime of the Americans in the east.

Americans are going to meddle in middle-eastern affairs by forcing them into Democracy. Why don't you just back the fuck off and stop meddling? They're not sheep.

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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby MagicManICT » Sat May 21, 2011 12:59 am

Projeear wrote:
In short:

Osama is the scapegoat for all the wars that have been cast in the middle-east. Now Osama is dead, so is the regime of the Americans in the east.



Quite right. Osama was the scapegoat, but not the real reason. Our lust for the Black Gold shall not be sated!!! :lol:
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Tonkyhonk » Sat May 21, 2011 1:03 am

Projeear wrote:Now Osama is dead, so is the regime of the Americans in the east.

oh i kinda doubt that... (not the death of Osama, but the regime of the americans in the east part.)


im more interested in the new? phase of Israeli-Palestine conflict from obama's speech.
(i had always had this impression that the US government would never say anything Israel would hate to hear :P)
Israeli government would surely hate Obama now, but what about Palestinian government? (if i may call it government)
even if the '67 border issue gets revised, it wont make their problems go away. Israeli would most likely just go stiff with it and hold their current position, Palestine would be stuck again with only violent means as their options = more terrorism?
im not quite sure if obama's speech actually achieved anything, except for, maybe a big shock treatment to israeli people - so that maybe they may accept less shocking compromises later on...?

and what will all the european powers' attitude toward them be like now?

an expert here has written a short comment on this and said that this speech of Obama might result in keeping Palestine from being approved as a nation by UN, which is actually what the Palestinian government has been trying so hard for the last decades.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby dagrimreefah2 » Sun May 29, 2011 3:55 am

loftar wrote:
pyrale wrote:
jorb wrote:Testing implies that there is a theory to be tested. Facts cannot be interpreted at all without some sort of theory or hypothesis. Are you trolling?

I'm saying, precisely, that the happy economists building models end up with an economic model which is either oversimplified, or uncomputable.

But noone ever tried to model the market in its entirety. Except the communists. Which is why communism failed. The welfare state tries to do it in part, and fails just as spectacularly. Only because it leaves part of the market to the individual does it not fail as quickly as communism.

The whole point of classical and Austrian economics is precisely that that is impossible, and therefore also, by extension, that central planning is impossible, which is the reason why planning should be left to the individual.

Of course, the fact that the market in its entirety cannot be modeled does not entail that specific phenomena, such as the "trade cycle", certain factors in price determination, and the often misinterpreted "invisible hand", cannot.

pyrale wrote:Yeah, using auction theory = bidding like an idiot.

Please cite the source of this "auction theory".

EDIT: I'm left wondering what you're trying to argue with it. You seem to be picking some obviously faulty theory, demonstrate that it doesn't work, try to point out that it is an "economic theory", and therefore conclude that the whole field of economics must be faulty and barren. If you intended for something else to be read into your words, please expound it, for I do not see it.


I felt like I was the only person in the world who studies and agrees with Austrian economics (aka common sense). Sad that a majority of the world's major economic powers are practicing the voodoo witchcraft known as "Keynesian economics" (aka bullshit).

I also love how Keynesians argue that inflation can only happen when an economy grows, and it is impossible to have inflation when an economy is contracting. Yet, look at Japan. The earthquake has sent their economy into a huge contraction, yet they are now suffering from an exponential increase of monetary inflation as we speak (because the Japanese gov't would rather print yen to help with rebuilding than cash in their massive storage of US treasuries). Nice fail there, Keynesians.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby jorb » Tue May 31, 2011 8:54 am

I love how Keynesians measure price increases on an arbitrary collection of arbitrarily categorized goods of unequal quality and call the number they pull out of that can of worms inflation. Measuring the actual expansion of the money supply would give the scam away, I suppose.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby ScegfOd » Tue May 31, 2011 9:15 am

quick, get that idiot commie back in here !!
we need him to fail at trolling jorb so that we can squeeze a wall of text out of jorb :D
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby will1701-a » Tue May 31, 2011 7:05 pm

I think that Isolationism needs to be reconsidered by the U.S. Government and other governments as well. The Gilded Age was ended by the Age of Imperialism and since then there have been ups and downs but mostly a noticeable decline.

Let me add in a bit of HnH experience here when i have been a hermit things are fine and no one but me is there, and there is nothing to worry about except me. When i joined other people in a settle ment of about 10 people that is when things got complicated and it eventually led to an abandoning of a village and the death of several dependents.

What i'm Trying to say is that you can argue about other countries policies and bitch about how one is better than another, but until the governments shut the fuck up and handle their own problems instead of trying to fix the world's problems nothing will get done and the decline will continue.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby pyrale » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:36 pm

dagrimreefah2 wrote:I also love how Keynesians argue that inflation can only happen when an economy grows, and it is impossible to have inflation when an economy is contracting.


Would you have pointers about this please ?

jorb wrote:I love how Keynesians measure price increases on an arbitrary collection of arbitrarily categorized goods of unequal quality and call the number they pull out of that can of worms inflation. Measuring the actual expansion of the money supply would give the scam away, I suppose.


Since when the money stock variations are directly related to inflation ?
As far as I know it's not really the arbitrary good price that's interesting but rather it's evolution. And even though the calculation is kinda flawed, it's still better than nothing.

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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby karlson2010 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:27 pm

Guys when writing about communist regimes just remember that there is no communist country in the world and there never was. There were and there still are socialist countries. And a socialist country is nothing more then a government capitalism. The people who said Russia or the USSR or the other countries from the eastern block were communist countries ...have still a lot to read until they learn what is what and who is who...

As for the US of A...I really don't know what to think about anymore. It looks fucked up by my opinion - the major capital is making the small people serfs. I have the sinking suspicion that we're headed towards feudal regime in nowadays.

P.S. I know someone is gonna say that North Korea is communist country ... well think again - it's not communist but a dictatorship. Something like the feudal middle age Europe with the way the people were born as property of the local baron etc. We are all headed that way no matter capitalism, socialism or whatever some people call their regimes.
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