Is anyone "not" using a bot?

[AAlex]

I've not used a bot since July, I've never been happier.

[naosnule]

she has managed to get some of the highest crops in this game as well as silk, without the use of bots.

There is direct and indirect use of bots. Very few people can claim that they have not received any benefit from bots; it would have to be hermits that do not trade in such case to be believable.

There is nothing wrong with botting in a game that allows it. Whether or not one wants to play a such game is another more difficult question.

[Eemerald]

she has managed to get some of the highest crops in this game as well as silk, without the use of bots.

There is direct and indirect use of bots. Very few people can claim that they have not received any benefit from bots; it would have to be hermits that do not trade in such case to be believable.

There is nothing wrong with botting in a game that allows it. Whether or not one wants to play a such game is another more difficult question.

that's true, it's about choice. as I said and was ridiculed for, It wouldn't deter me from the game if bots didn't exist, I've played in towns without it for many worlds and don't use them personally now. so it it disappeared, I'd play exactly as we always have done. but it does exist and it's a choice open to many as these clients are easily available now.

but in crannys case she did have a separate town outside EC which she worked on to increase the q of her items bot free. so it's certainly doable.

[Lord_of_War]

I'm not sure where you find fault. please elaborate.

Oh God, my English can not suck more; Im actually agreeing with you, I elaborated why I did agree.

I'm here factually and abhor ad homenum.

What this means?.

Not english! lol. Its latin for "to the man". It means a personal attack like name calling. Im saying we need to keep this argument factual and about the game not who is playing it or if anyone is at fault which they are not.

[Tonkyhonk]

phew. im glad i have time to read and reply when my local town is having a carnival and all the snow and rain is giving me much time to waste.

He is bipolar. Don't listen to what people say, look at what they do. Jorb very much approves of botting.

I am saying that just because other devs care, it doesn't mean that we should expect or demand jorbtar to care about how their game is played. However, they do care since they are against server crashes.

devs do care. devs have nuked a few chars stats who botted insanely in the past, iirc. they have nuked some vaults as everyone knows. (they also nuked quite a few farms and defenses that abused in salem as well.) its just that they arent interested in policing around, banning and nuking and arguing on the forums(unless they have something new to say), what they want to do is to make a game instead and maybe have some decent constructive arguments about their game when they have time.
like ive said, koya once made a wall of text how this game was still (after curio) bottable to abuse and to make huge differences from non-botters, and most everyone shot it down saying meh. devs and many others believed that curio system would make the difference so small (indeed, was much smaller than how it was) that shouldnt be much of a concern, although that was shot down easily also because the point koya made was to get the old lp system back instead of trying to make the curio system better. all in all, this trend was unexpected, and *maybe* they are embarrassed a bit that they didnt see this coming as this big fuss. they have already made their point clear in the past, and they arent interested in repeating it until they find something new to say, and the latest of their idea is "hafen".
if they have changed their view and decided to approve of botting, im sure they will say so. the fact that they do not condemn it officially does not mean they approve of it.

Union client was publicly released at russian forums on the first days of april 2013, and I think that by that time it had been used for more than a year by Axpeleog (another of the H&H programming geniuses) and hes friends, in this year its scripts where being worked up.
And if I recall correctly this was not the first botting client we saw, maybe some of the older players can help me with more data here.

there were already botting clients when i started to play in w3. around that time, people were swearing at each other by calling the other side a botter, as in "you botted!" "no, you!". major factions all had their own clients and it was rather essential to have a coder in a faction. i believe it was only Bottleneck out of major ones that did not have/use botting scripts.
burg used to criticize how ad botted their way up, but hell, later he was telling me how his town had been botting proudly and expected me to agree either in w4 or w5, that i should understand how amazing patrolling bots are, and later i learned that they were using all kinds of bots to feed chars for ainran to work as mercenaries, and to do so many other things as well. (however, i remember avu shouting at sacre for not doing his assigned village work of paving, and sacre was always going errr and we teased him sometimes about it. so its not like they were relying all work on botting, i guess.)

its just that people started talking about bots in public and making threads and get q&a that people think botting is approved and its spreading as "its okay because you dont get banned", "better do it because you have no consequences". botters have been botting, and this misconception of bots being approved of is letting other players to get hands on it as well. its this very community that wants to approve of bots and it is encouraging botting.

All she did was answer the original question from a personal standpoint, that she doesn't use a bot.
As soon as you addressed the issue of living with botters she has responded to everything you have said. She hasn't tried to hide anything and admits there are benefits and advantages, and yet you still keep going for her as if she is denying something, similar to chocolaterain, when she is being honest. What on earth are you wanting her to say?!

oh really? did you actually read how this discussion started in THIS thread? i ignored her posts for a few times because there was nothing new to say back to her, but when she started personal attacks on me, i guessed she wanted me to bite her back.
also, i believe most everyone is nice when you talk to each in person. being nice in real has nothing to do with what they say on the forums.

But I also think how Devs can feel when they are giving us the chance to play for free and their scripting mistakes are openly exposed.
They never hid that this is an alpha stage game and that many bugs and exploits can come up, they even have rewards for players that reach them with this data.

If it was me that get exposed this way, I would feel nude in front of a crowd and even maybe feel that XCom does it out of hes need of recognition from the community, because we all know anyone can find hes/her reward to playing in being recognized as a generous scripting genius (which I think XCom actually is) placing in second term the need of contributing to the good development of the game, so tbh idk if I would answer.

that is a good point, i never looked at it that way.
anyways, when we all know they are going to throw away the current codes of haven and recode everything from a scratch for hafen, i really dont find it worthwhile for devs to spot a new bug or exploit to check the flaw in the current codes. if they find a new real game-breaking bug that is too hard to fix, they may just decide to shut down the server to avoid all the fuss, or they may just leave them be as this is not a product but a hobby. loftar once said he really didnt want to look at his old codes any more. they would most likely appreciate to have bugs reported in salem or hafen when released, though.

What needs to be addressed is game mechanics.

been addressed and discussed over and over in the past. stop posting for a while and search for those threads and please read the already existing arguments before trying to make others type everything again.

In previous world and with many other factions and players crashing of the server was purposely done to attack others or postpone attacks on themselves. Someone crashing the server by accident is hardly the same as someone trying to delay a ram outside their town by a few hours or during a big fight when they are losing. Your inability to see past that is slightly weird. but if u want to see things as either good or bad with no inbetween, go for it.

attacking/killing others is not the only way to "win" in this game.
nobody accused that they did it on purpose. (and if they actually did crash the server on purpose, they would have had their chars or village nuked already like happened in the past. they only got their numens nuked.) your inability to see my point is slightly weird.

I don't understand how that dodges anything,....-snipped-

i didnt have any interests in talking about who you are or who your friends are like in real life. i was talking and arguing about village politics and you always have to bring up something else, mainly explaining how wonderful you are. so it was a waste of time for me.

[Eemerald]

oh really? did you actually read how this discussion started in THIS thread? i ignored her posts for a few times because there was nothing new to say back to her, but when she started personal attacks on me, i guessed she wanted me to bite her back.
also, i believe most everyone is nice when you talk to each in person. being nice in real has nothing to do with what they say on the forums.

I made a single comment and got attacked for it and so I responded back. but apparently what I said wasn't clear enough for you to understand even though those like Amanda and others seemed apt enough to get it. your digs at my single post along with others is what diverted this discussion, since my position hasn't changed throughout.

attacking/killing others is not the only way to "win" in this game.
nobody accused that they did it on purpose. (and if they actually did crash the server on purpose, they would have had their chars or village nuked already like happened in the past. they only got their numens nuked.) your inability to see my point is slightly weird.

theres a 'win' in this game? please clarify to me how you win in haven?

i didnt have any interests in talking about who you are or who your friends are like in real life. i was talking and arguing about village politics and you always have to bring up something else, mainly explaining how wonderful you are. so it was a waste of time for me.

yes ofcourse, I am wonderful, its what I say in ever post I write! and it's such a waste of time for you, yet here you are, arguing with me over a single sentence I originally made in this thread.

we play as ourselves in the game, and maybe you don't converse with people in general, but others enjoy actually talking to people and getting to know them. it's part and parcel of building village relations, and village politics. we're not roleplayers pretending to be something other than who we are for the most part, but you find difficulty in seeing players as people who play a game.

I think I've answered well and beyond the need to, to dispel your issues and put my point of view across, if that's 'something else' then whatever you believe. I think much like the previous discussions we've had, they're never ending and as you say a waste of time for the both of us.
have a good day

[Tonkyhonk]

I made a single comment and got attacked for it and so I responded back.

this was my first response to you that was directed at you in this thread.

attacking/killing others is not the only way to "win" in this game.

theres a 'win' in this game? please clarify to me how you win in haven?

this was a response to your previous line of

In previous world and with many other factions and players crashing of the server was purposely done to attack others or postpone attacks on themselves.

others enjoy actually talking to people and getting to know them.

sure, so do i. but NOT when talking and discussing something in particular. you mix them all up and dodge the point of discussions.

[Eemerald]

this was my first response to you that was directed at you in this thread.

actually no it wasn't, this was, when you called me a hypocrite through choclatarians response to me not caring how people chose to play. you know, where you actually started the 'attacks'

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35189&start=40

this was a response to your previous line of

In previous world and with many other factions and players crashing of the server was purposely done to attack others or postpone attacks on themselves.

my comprehension skills are relatively decent, I know what you were responding to, if the above isn't the only way to win this game then what other ways are there. I personally don't even see how you win something like haven, because everyones achievements, what they set out to do in the game is so different. every world produces new ways to 'win' the game for yourself or your town or whoever. but ofcourse im sure u'll enlighten us as to how that's just bullshit.

sure, so do i. but NOT when talking and discussing something in particular. you mix them all up and dodge the point of discussions.

the point of this discussion was answered in the first few pages and not dodged. you just didn't like it.
maybe revisit the beginning of the thread.

[Tonkyhonk]

this was my first response to you that was directed at you in this thread.

actually no it wasn't, this was, when you called me a hypocrite through choclatarians response to me not caring how people chose to play. you know, where you actually started the 'attacks'

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35189&start=40

it was directed at chocolaterain. you probably didnt like me calling you a kettle, but that was nothing new after our previous argument and i didnt consider it as a new attack. besides, i thought you said you had already accepted whatever i found you as.

my comprehension skills are relatively decent, I know what you were responding to, if the above isn't the only way to win this game then what other ways are there. I personally don't even see how you win something like haven, because everyones achievements, what they set out to do in the game is so different. every world produces new ways to 'win' the game for yourself or your town or whoever. but ofcourse im sure u'll enlighten us as to how that's just bullshit.

oh? thought we had similar views to that part. whatever you find fun with and you accomplish it then it is your win, isnt it?
there is a reason to put quotation marks.

sure, so do i. but NOT when talking and discussing something in particular. you mix them all up and dodge the point of discussions.

the point of this discussion was answered in the first few pages and not dodged. you just didn't like it.
maybe revisit the beginning of the thread.

there you go again... thought we were talking about the pm discussion we had.

p.s.
if you think im only flaming you for the sake of flaming, youd better stop wasting your valuable time.
also, i was wondering what made you think im attacking you personally and someone pointed me that i actually helped you a lil bit when you started your trade hub, nothing big, but by talking to the original owner of your candidate spot and getting their permission as you wanted and let you know about it. but you probably found that aggressive too lol

[Xcom]

You guys know what the definition of troll is right?

They show up in threads and just shit post cause they have nothing else to do. Feeding her bullshit just encourages her to come back and shit post again. There is no point arguing with this person as it is what this person wants. If you need proof here it is, so please stop responding.

so you are saying people should keep their mouths shut when something doesnt affect you at all? heh.