The U.S. Goverment

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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby jorb » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:07 pm

pyrale wrote:As far as I know it's not really the arbitrary good price that's interesting but rather it's evolution.


The point being that you cannot maintain measurement identity over time. The bread you measure today is not the bread you measured yesterday. Bread is an entirely different commodity today than it was in 1950, 1970 or, indeed, yesterday. Furthermore there is in the real world no such thing as "bread, plain and simple". All concrete instances of bread carry with them several differentiating qualities which serve to make them incomparable. Pumpkin bread is not the same as croissants. Since the government bureaucrats cannot help but be confronted by this conundrum as a very real problem, they are constantly changing the makeup of the CPI goods basket, leaving it at best a poor guesstimate as to what kind of inflation we are actually experiencing. Only incidentally does it actually measure price increases due to inflation. What it primarily attempts to measure is price increases/decreases, which can of course be due to a whole number of things, such as more efficient patterns of production, a failed harvest, increased consumer demand or the exhaustion of some resource node, and not merely increases in the money supply. It is no wonder that said bureaucrats love to include consumer electronics in their goods basket, since prices on those tend to drop due to innovation, thus masking the real inflation.

The expansion of the money supply as a percentage of the total money supply could however be measured with relative ease and accuracy. It also has the distinct advantage of not confusing inflation with price fluctuation. Unfortunately that would make the effects of "quantitative easing" -- namely the defrauding of the general public -- much too obvious.

Or we could have sound money and avoid the problem more or less entirely.

karlson2010 wrote:As for the US of A...I really don't know what to think about anymore. It looks fucked up by my opinion - the major capital is making the small people serfs. I have the sinking suspicion that we're headed towards feudal regime in nowadays.


Indeed we are. Our wise overlords in the government have arranged it so that select cliques of their friends and allies in the international banking communities get to maintain private monopolies on sectors of the financial system by government force of arms. It has nothing to do with capitalism, and everything to do with the eclectic blend of corporatism that the welfare state naturally comes to engender. It is a system wherein political privilege has come to entirely replace personal merit, much like communism or, indeed, feudalism.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby pyrale » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:51 pm

jorb wrote:The point being that you cannot maintain measurement identity over time. The bread you measure today is not the bread you measured yesterday. Bread is an entirely different commodity today than it was in 1950, 1970 or, indeed, yesterday. Furthermore there is in the real world no such thing as "bread, plain and simple". All concrete instances of bread carry with them several differentiating qualities which serve to make them incomparable. Pumpkin bread is not the same as croissants. Since the government bureaucrats cannot help but be confronted by this conundrum as a very real problem, they are constantly changing the makeup of the CPI goods basket, leaving it at best a poor guesstimate as to what kind of inflation we are actually experiencing. Only incidentally does it actually measure price increases due to inflation. What it primarily attempts to measure is price increases/decreases, which can of course be due to a whole number of things, such as more efficient patterns of production, a failed harvest, increased consumer demand or the exhaustion of some resource node, and not merely increases in the money supply. It is no wonder that said bureaucrats love to include consumer electronics in their goods basket, since prices on those tend to drop due to innovation, thus masking the real inflation.

I have the feeling that you're taking this measure more seriously than it should be. Measuring inflation based on standard goods is of course not something accurate, and there is no sense to compare data over large periods of time (unless you wanna compare the price of horses and cathedrals to the price of cars and skyscrappers ^^).

I doubt anyone ever pretended that measuring inflation had perfect accuracy. But we don't really have better tools atm, so we use what we have.

jorb wrote:The expansion of the money supply as a percentage of the total money supply could however be measured with relative ease and accuracy. It also has the distinct advantage of not confusing inflation with price fluctuation. Unfortunately that would make the effects of "quantitative easing" -- namely the defrauding of the general public -- much too obvious.

oops, sorry. Forgot that your school of economics had different views on some matters, and redefined it's vocabulary based on these views.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Mvpeh » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:36 am

Bumped this thread, thought it was a good read and deserved it.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Kiwi » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:01 am

My thoughts on this thread: Wups
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby crevank » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:12 am

Kiwi wrote:My thoughts on this thread: Wups

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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Jackard » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:52 am

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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby crevank » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:24 am


Well according to them, not only is pizza, pepper spray is healthy for you and considered a vegetable.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Saif_Mahlik » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:53 pm

If Ron Paul does not get elected then America will end up like the Soviet Union when it collapsed... Bankrupt...

This is because Ron Paul can make trillions of dollars of savings by getting US troops out of 3 Wars, by pulling out of around 180 countries the USA does not even need to be in or place their troops in, by cutting all foriegn aid to all other countries (Did you know America pays Israel $8,000,000,000 ($8billion) a year which is equialant to every USA citizen paying $20 a year for Israel, its a country that does not even need aid and by taking these steps America can cut trillions in spending, control the deficit and be on its way to the road of recovery!! :D

So vote Ron Paul for 2012! THATS RIGHT YOU AMERICAN BASKETS!



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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby Hourai_Chimes » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:00 pm

You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
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Re: The U.S. Goverment

Postby ArvinJA » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:46 pm

Hourai_Chimes wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBE5QAYXp8

That is all.

The critique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY
It's not like I agree with Lee Doren on everything, but hell, the people who made "Story of Stuff" must be oblivious to basic economics and business. Some parts are quite hilarious.
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