A misunderstanding

[Krantarin]

EDIT: Really, it all doesn't matter, they're just seeds.

Should I give a point by point rebuttal?

I'm feeling lazy so I won't, but never the less, your view is very different from mine.

For one, we wanted half at first so we could make sure that new players (especially ones not from 4chan) would get a fair share. I helped three new people join yesterday and today, and they definitely are not a part of Pinevalley. (btw, that's where the skewed numbers come from-we only have four at PV, and Niltrias isn't affiliated with us).

Acathla's plan was that he harvest all of the seeds and give us two. This is why I aggro'd him (to make sure he didn't LO when he had obtained all of the seeds. I believe my aggro was the point at which he called Delamore, even though I had explained the entire thing to him.

Our "running around smashing things" was the destruction of one or two segments of a cheap, easily replaced fence that was erected around us.

Acathla was the only person who said we should/could kill either of them. He continued to egg us on and try to get us to attack through out this time. He even went so far as to ask us to threaten him (fancy that?).

EDIT: @ Colbear regarding your most recent post, once again, you were saying you wanted to be the only one to harvest, and after all of our egging us on, we didn't quite trust you. We simply wanted to wait and make sure that the seeds were divided fairly (with an aggro on the collector so he wouldn't loport away).

And the "rude yelling to take the claim away" was Fayt asking "Would you please unclaim?" repeatedly.

[ActionHank]

For one, we wanted half at first so we could make sure that new players (especially ones not from 4chan) would get a fair share. I helped three new people join yesterday and today, and they definitely are not a part of Pinevalley.

Why would 4chan not deserve any share? They are no less of a player than you and me are. You also helped three new people? Good for you, TRY TWO HUNDRED next time.

[Krantarin]

They certainly would also deserve a share (there was a patch and a half claimed just for them, after all!) our hope was that other newbies would also have a chance (and Colbear made it clear they would not, and that they were less important because there were less of them).

[Colbear]

No, you said (or someone said), "I want two", and I said, "Okay, but I'll harvest and give them to you." I definitely was not the one that decided that two would be all you could have. if you'd said, "I want 5", or "I want 8", I'd have said, "Okay but I'll harvest and give them to you." Hell, personally, I would have been willing to give you up to about 30%, if Spiff said okay (since it was his claim), because I'm pretty sure Goons and 4chan are at least 70% of the player population excluding bottleneck and laketown and their affiliates (who had private spawns and therefore aren't entitled to a share of the rob spawns).

I think 50-50 was unfair because I needed to give "my" share to more than 50% of the playerbase, and I explained why. Why didn't you say "well, as a representative of Pine Valley AND the newbies who aren't in goons or 4chan, can I have 20%" or 30% or something? Then, we could have gotten into a serious question of "what percentage of the player base can I directly (or through Gooncastle/Delamore) give these seeds to", and if we concluded that "we" were 70% and you (and the newbies who aren't with either group) were 30%, I'd have been perfectly happy to say, "Okay then you can have 30% to distribute".

However, instead of countering my "we're most of the playerbase so we need most of the seeds" with "you're not that much of the playerbase, this is why, so we need more than this many seeds" (which I personally find to be perfectly reasonable), you just said, "no you're unfair to newbies and we're going to camp on your claim and take them anyways you can't stop us BTW I'm attacking you so you can't leave".

(note: I was talking on IRC at the time, which blocks my window, so I did miss some chat bubbles -- each time I did, I requested a repeat of what was said, so I don't know if I missed anything or not? I did apparently misinterpret your "you can't log out" as "you, the player, can't leave your computer until I'm satisfied" instead of "you, the character, can't teleport elsewhere to deposit seeds", which certainly made me feel very "if you're not going to kill me, then I can damn well leave my computer if I want to", for which I apologize, but your wording was unclear.)

I also pointed out that seriously, if you're going to sit on a claim, either make a threat, or go away, because your very presence is a threat. I don't tresspass on random people's land and wield swords at them, because it'll SCARE them, especially if they're newbies. You're perfectly capable of killing us/doing as you wish, so your "I'm going to make demands while intimidating you" is about as polite as a mafioso going, "You have a very fine shop. It would be a shame if something happened to it, and this place is so flammable, don't you agree?"

Why didn't you just walk off the claim (as it's obvious you could go on and off freely, because fences are hardly going to stop you) and ask nicely from there? Spiff repeatedly asked you to get off his land, and you repeatedly refused and blocked him while he was making his fence -- and why? It's not stopping you, nothing he could have done could have stopped you from doing what you wanted anyways, so pretending to play nice while really being assholes about a situation is hypocritical and offensive.

[Jackard]

man this is a lot of words and sounds like pretty heavy stuff, could someone sum up for me????

leaning towards "people squabbling over shiny things that currently serve no real purpose"

[Krantarin]

Sorry, we were both in the wrong, but me as much as you. If you will not give us two seeds, we'll ask for seeds from laketown.

There's no need to fight anymore. I see now what your thought process was at the time, and I guess you were right to some extent. And we probably *could* have stepped off...

Fayt was saying "Please," though .

EDIT: @Jackard, two groups with the best interests of the Newbies in mind had a unnecessary misunderstanding, one group called for reinforcements, those reinforcements threatened war, the other group backed off and complained on the forums. The group that backed off was my settlement and I.

[Colbear]

Sorry, we were both in the wrong, but me as much as you. If you will not give us two seeds, we'll ask for seeds from laketown.

There's no need to fight anymore. I see now what your thought process was at the time, and I guess you were right to some extent. And we probably *could* have stepped off...

Fayt was saying "Please," though .

EDIT: @Jackard, two groups with the best interests of the Newbies in mind had a unnecessary misunderstanding, one group called for reinforcements, those reinforcements threatened war, the other group backed off and complained on the forums. The group that backed off was my settlement and I.

Yeah, no hard feelings? I thought I made my reasoning clear, but apparently not. But really, guys in battleaxes who aren't goons definitely are threatening just on their own, because I'm not used to games with non-consensual PvP AND permadeath. Having them standing on someone's claim and hitting hearthfires and stuff, while SAYING they won't attack, well... It's still rather intimidating.

Anyways, now that Delamore's stepped in, I can't speak for the spawns or seed distribution, since it's apparently officially under gooncastle's protection and all that. Just PM him nicely and explain what you want, and see how it goes?

[Krantarin]

Sorry, we were both in the wrong, but me as much as you. If you will not give us two seeds, we'll ask for seeds from laketown.

There's no need to fight anymore. I see now what your thought process was at the time, and I guess you were right to some extent. And we probably *could* have stepped off...

Fayt was saying "Please," though .

EDIT: @Jackard, two groups with the best interests of the Newbies in mind had a unnecessary misunderstanding, one group called for reinforcements, those reinforcements threatened war, the other group backed off and complained on the forums. The group that backed off was my settlement and I.

Yeah, no hard feelings? I thought I made my reasoning clear, but apparently not. But really, guys in battleaxes who aren't goons definitely are threatening just on their own, because I'm not used to games with non-consensual PvP AND permadeath. Having them standing on someone's claim and hitting hearthfires and stuff, while SAYING they won't attack, well... It's still rather intimidating.

Anyways, now that Delamore's stepped in, I can't speak for the spawns or seed distribution, since it's apparently officially under gooncastle's protection and all that. Just PM him nicely and explain what you want, and see how it goes?

Yeah, no hard feelings .

I hope we'll be able to get our seeds from a wild patch eventually (I still think it would be outrageous to pay, and it looks like Del has no intention to give us the seeds), and they don't actually do anything anyway yet, so there's no reason to fret over it all.

[Erik_the_Blue]

For the future, it might be useful if interested parties could come to some arrangement regarding the distribution of any resources placed at the RoB. Particularly if someone wants to avoid the potential outcome of "axe-to-face".

[Colbear]

For the future, it might be useful if interested parties could come to some arrangement regarding the distribution of any resources placed at the RoB. Particularly if someone wants to avoid the potential outcome of "axe-to-face".

We were trying to, but it got escalated before we could reach an agreement.