PVP Factions

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[theTrav]

I think arranged "battles" would be nice to have as a vent for people that want to fight without slaughtering innocent civilians. In fact, I think it'd be a neat idea if we players designated a battleground for duels and whole battles near RoB. Just a big palisade square to make sure nobody enters or leaves during a fight. Placing it near RoB would make this a popular spectator sport, and maybe we could even get some gambling going on. Crowds this would pull in could be useful for starting a marketplace, too.

Tournaments would be cool, if it were possible for a town to host a tounament and offer prizes for the winner of the melee or the archery competition and designate a space and time where crime scents are not dropped

[Ai_Shizuka]

Right now there's no PvP to speak of. There's just a food chain of people preying on their respective weaker.
Non consensual PvP against much stronger opposition is a great recipe to lose players over time, esp. with perma-death.
Perma-losing a character against an opponent you can't even hit is NOT fun, no matter what the srb bsns no-life assholes say.

But on the other hand, a DAoC system doesn't fit at all with this kind of game.
Maybe guards like Ultima Online, but, again, NPCs are a no-no in this game.
So I don't really know. But one thing is obvious: the current system is a disgrace for any game with long-term plans. I wouldn't even call it PvP, because it's not.

[Humps]

I would quit if this system was implimented.

It is that terrible.

[g1real]

-if you just use a FFA model it will end up a big grief fuck fest like UO and AC

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sounds like you got sand in your vadge, stop crying. im so fucking tired of seeing people complaining about "griefing".

this game is a SANDBOX game, you form your own factions, alliances and armies. if you get killed or attacked, thats not griefing, thats part of the game.
dont you get a rush when you run into battle risking your characters life?

if you cant deal with the game mechanics (and after the few games you mentioned that had a 'good pvp model' whilst listing great games and saying they sucked) just dont play the game. i hate it when asshats complain about game mechanics and what not and the developers bow down to that shit and make the game a big care bear fuck fest like WoW (see what i did there)

Probably already posted before, but there are times someone kills someone for entirely no reason, that is griefing, you can't avoid someone walking up to you and starting to slice you up.

[loftar]

The only thing that could be added to that is maybe alliances, which could be some kind of friends list for town idols. Town A requests Town B to be allies, Town B accepts, and then they each show up on each others town idol interface.

Very much so, and we plan to extend the village system with something like that later on. Not only allying, of course, but also, for instance, making it possible to form, say, a "kingdom" consisting of a couple of villages under a common ruler. A village or kingdom should also be able to subjugate and annex other villages, making them serfdoms, so there will be a couple of different kind of relations between various political entities. Likewise, we'd like to add a few other systems of government, such as, say, a "town" (which would probably require a village with quite a few members to be converted into a town; and then it would have more useful administrative features and so on), a "confederation", a "republic", and so on. More advanced political entities should also be able to enact various national ideas (similar to the beliefs I described in the "Credo" thread), which would affect all their members in various ways.

I don't like having this dev-enforced, but I think arranged "battles" would be nice to have as a vent for people that want to fight without slaughtering innocent civilians.
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Only problem is that someone could collect all the scents from the battlefield and track down the winners. Maybe we could get the devs to make it so that killing in the arena leaves no clues. That, or you can simply commit suicide to change your identity, since you'd be full-trad anyway.

Actually, I've long wanted to implement a "sparring" mode of fighting. The way I see it, initiating such battle would work a bit like inviting someone to a party -- you right-click a player, choose "spar", and upon his confirmation, a special kind of fighting relation is created which only deals "shadow damage", concludes when a player's shadow damage reaches his max HP and, in turn, doesn't give any LP upon conclusion (maybe some smaller amount -- it does use a lot of stamina, after all). There are a number of things that need to be thought through to avoid exploitation, though.

Of course, gladiator fights to the actual death would still be a lot of fun; I'm not arguing with that. :) I wouldn't at all, in fact, mind adding a feature similar to "spar" called "challenge", which would initiate a "duel" fighting relation, which only concludes properly when either participant is killed, makes sure that no scents are left, and maybe involves some other fun permanent effects on both the winning character and on the descendents of the loser.

[Jackard]

That doesn't take into account that players might want to spar with more than one person at a time.

If you required players to use some form of Deathblow ability or coup de grâce on a downed foe to actually kill them, you wouldn't need a special system for sparring.

As it is, the possibility of accidentally killing someone in a permadeath game makes sparring with allies dangerous.

[BoltVanderhuge]

This belongs in critique and ideas.

This. Also as others have already pointed out, factions happen on their own without pulling some stupid Horde vs. Alliance mechanic. Part of the point of these big open sandbox games is for communities to form their own relationships and eventually factions emerge out of the various alliances.

[loftar]

That doesn't take into account that players might want to spar with more than one person at a time.

Why... yes, it does. There's no reason to think that one would be limited only to one sparring relation.

If you required players to use some form of Deathblow ability or coup de grâce on a downed foe to actually kill them, you wouldn't need a special system for sparring.

It might just be me, but I think it would still be very useful, if indeed sparring only deals "shadow damage", so that people can spar without having to heal up HHP damage and what not.

As it is, the possibility of accidentally killing someone in a permadeath game makes sparring with allies dangerous.

What could be argued here is particularly the fact that a continuous attack should stop when the target is knocked down (so that it has to be reinitiated to kill someone). Consider that a bug which should be fixed.

[Jackard]

If you required players to use some form of Deathblow ability or coup de grâce on a downed foe to actually kill them, you wouldn't need a special system for sparring.

It might just be me, but I think it would still be very useful, if indeed sparring only deals "shadow damage", so that people can spar without having to heal up HHP damage and what not.

Is soft hp not soft enough to fill this role?