Raided? hear me out though.

[uberplayer]

Then let me take a different road and argue against the "perfect" world.

Having no war and no theft would cause a great power vacuum, if no one in 50 years had stolen anything how would people react when someone did? What about threats of violence? They most likely wouldn't say hey fuck this I'm gonna kick the shit out of you. They would cower in fear due to a lack of knowledge on the situation. We live in a destructive world where human nature is to rise to the top, at least most human nature, and that in and of itself causes the violence that happens today. If I take something from person A then not only do I have more but they have less, that's less competition and more likely hood that you'll be leading the pack. I personally don't live like this but I know of people that do and they will quickly sell their souls and their children's souls to win. And with that being the big and bad person that has the power in this world imagine if we weren't used to that level of bullshit happening? I mean only way to make the world "perfect" is to take away our right to agency, our right to choose, and that my friend is what people at the top are trying to limit from you and keep from themselves. And in a game like Haven and Hearth where it disassociates from reality, where killing is only a set back in stead of a game over, then morality becomes less of something that slows people down.

Wow, I never thoguth I'd say this, but you actually semi-changed my thought of war. But I still dont believe in war could be the answer for most of problems in game, and wouldn't a world with no violence or theft or brutality kind of contradict your metaphor of you taking from Person A to become more powerful.

[cloakblade]

Then let me take a different road and argue against the "perfect" world.

Having no war and no theft would cause a great power vacuum, if no one in 50 years had stolen anything how would people react when someone did? What about threats of violence? They most likely wouldn't say hey fuck this I'm gonna kick the shit out of you. They would cower in fear due to a lack of knowledge on the situation. We live in a destructive world where human nature is to rise to the top, at least most human nature, and that in and of itself causes the violence that happens today. If I take something from person A then not only do I have more but they have less, that's less competition and more likely hood that you'll be leading the pack. I personally don't live like this but I know of people that do and they will quickly sell their souls and their children's souls to win. And with that being the big and bad person that has the power in this world imagine if we weren't used to that level of bullshit happening? I mean only way to make the world "perfect" is to take away our right to agency, our right to choose, and that my friend is what people at the top are trying to limit from you and keep from themselves. And in a game like Haven and Hearth where it disassociates from reality, where killing is only a set back in stead of a game over, then morality becomes less of something that slows people down.

Wow, I never thoguth I'd say this, but you actually semi-changed my thought of war. But I still dont believe in war could be the answer for most of problems in game, and wouldn't a world with no violence or theft or brutality kind of contradict your metaphor of you taking from Person A to become more powerful.

Well the Person A stealing from person B is more of a general idea of why people steal, or B stealing from A. The idea of the "perfect" world and then one person shattering it by doing one thing is something that although contradict the world itself its more of a point that it shatters the whole world no one in it knows how to react they all just cower in fear.

Though a note that I've always said is that if you want to remove yourself from PVP in this game join a decent village and then just do what you are doing now. I mean having someone who just wants to fish and regularly supplies fish to the village is a pretty cool dude to have around. Same thing goes for Farming or Mining or someone who is just interested in trade.

[Tonkyhonk]

maybe you just havent read this, yet?

[uberplayer]

maybe you just havent read this, yet?

No I haven't, and this, about raiding, really has nothing to do with PVP, I was talking, not ranting, about why people raid.

[Tonkyhonk]

then i would recommend you read it before you ask others so ignorantly, and learn the dev's view on it first?
raiding has a lot to do with pvp on this open-pvp game with perma-death, imo.

The land which I have claimed, you cannot claim. The basket that I am carrying, you can not carry. The apple that I have eaten, you can not eat.

also, i should add that there are many players who would rather go diplomatic than go violent.

[uberplayer]

then i would recommend you read it before you ask others so ignorantly, and learn the dev's view on it first?
raiding has a lot to do with pvp on this open-pvp game with perma-death, imo.

The land which I have claimed, you cannot claim. The basket that I am carrying, you can not carry. The apple that I have eaten, you can not eat.

also, i should add that there are many players who would rather go diplomatic than go violent.

I am sorry

[NaoWhut]

Oh hey, this thread actually got 3 pages.

In response to your peacefull wishes there
uber, i encourage you to walk out into the
world with open arms and doors, speak
russian and wear no armor but very fancy
things. Scream peace in all caps in russian
and see how things go for you.

then you can ask yourself why people kill
eachother, or better yet, watch all your
people get murdered as you do nothing but
beg for peace in the world.

as long as there's evil there will be no peace.
get over it, get in there, and protect what's
precious to you. Who cares about that other
person, if they're overpowered by the evil
in their heart then you'd better cut them down.

I've given people second chances before, w2
i never killed a single man, i only pantsed people,
you know what happened? i got killed in my
sleep. you know what happens now? i slaughter
the people that come after me, i kill their entire
village if no one starts talking when i show up to
fight.

watch your back noob. the world isn't a nice place

[Eemerald]

actually, you can do that.

in world 4 as a newb i trespassed a claimed area, where i was followed by an armoured well equipped player who was russian. he spoke to me in broken english, asking me why i trespassed his land etc. and i explained. we talked for a little bit and he took me to a nearby village with english speakers who distrusted me to say the least.

later his friend fromt he village and himself came to check on me, bought me food, and helped me build a house, oven, kiln and various things. throughout world 4 this russian guy protected my ass, and never once asked for anything.

another time in world 5 this time, around 5 russian rangers came to my newly built palisade, and village where i had secured a cave and was baking some stuff when one kinned me and asked me abt a player they had tracked to my village. since i only had one other villager at that point, it was obviously himt hey were after. i talked to the guy a little while, again broken english, explained things, and he explained he will deal with the guy and isnt planning on anything else. considering they could have isntantly killed me while i was outside.

ud be amazed at how awesome people can be when ure simply nice to them. thats not to say it works on everybody, but it does sometimes. not everyone in game is a jerk.

i've never played this game to raid or take stuff from others. it would seem pointless not to discover those things myself, and develop that way.

[NaoWhut]

You can do that sure, but you'll die. if you
show kindness and it's returned they're
obviously not the ones overpowered by the
evil in their heart =p

those would be the people that are defending
the things they hold precious, when they
showed up ready to fight, you started talking.
that's what happens if they're the right knida
people

[Eemerald]

lol

ure just a big cynic

obviously the second lot came to fight or whatever, but they initiated conversation first. not everyone is a seek and destroy type person, or have 'evil int heir hearts' though the melodramatic effects of that are awesome:P

but world 4 didnt die once. it's nice when a russian village has your back:)

and in world 5, my main hasnt been killed, even though i've been in 3 raids thus far. if u go looking for trouble, it will find you and screw u over. i work on my own village and dont screw off anyone else. (unless asked very nicely:)) thus far....no issues