Okay, Shockedfrog, We Can Take The Trees But...

[Errol]

The thing is... it's not fun to play since Shockedfrog started to grief us. How'd you feel... in our position? We will be able to continue no matter what, but it's increasingly less fun. And in a game, you should not deprive other players from fun permanently.

Sure, it's part of the game, but these are all more or less exploits, we simply can't regrow our trees right now, although that may be fixed in the near future.

I'd also like to think what position Loftar and Jorb are having here. Could they care to pay this thread a visit?

Also, fldash, that solution just is plain stupid.

[fldash]

It's not fun to play the game once you have a little adversary? Interesting.

Sorry that my idea is stupid to you. It's one that fits within the game mechanics and doesn't involve crying on the forums for developer intervention.

[Dragooble]

i really really don't like that solution. because ONE guy decided to cripple us, every helpless wandering bystander gets arrowed to death. that's mindless. do you think we want that reputation for ourselves? the settlement that kills anyone who isn't part of the DF cult? EDIT: and you have to understand, its not because he's an adversary. hell a little friendly competition would be pretty nice i guess. but this isn't friendly competition. this is crippling our settlement just because he THINKS we're a threat when we haven't wronged him in any way.

[Trafalgar]

No, he set up a claim in front of a house, so that he could go inside and log out, to teleport back to his hearthfire. By doing this, he managed to cover ANOTHER GUY'S hearthfire, and stopped him from being able to log in.

Then, actually, he's doing what he's supposed to be doing in an alpha - he found a bug, or at least a feature that may need tweeking/exploring. Having a claim be able to cover another's hearthfire doesn't quite sit right, but maybe it was intended.

That was a KNOWN bug, and the devs have said it is NOT intended and needs to be fixed, and the only way to fix the victim is for the victim to convince shockedfrog to remove the claim... so he's bug abusing and he's probably completely FUBAR'd another player's character, which in most places is a good way to get permabanned, but here the devs have said they won't ban anyone...

[shockedfrog]

As I stated, loftar said that reincarnated characters will probably eventually not be able to use the same name as the previous one. I do agree that deliberately killing myself in order to change to a new name would perhaps be a slight abuse, but my death today was caused by players taking advantage of my good nature after my honest mistake, so it was their choice.

What is it going to take to get people to realise my mind doesn't work like 'ooh, hearth fire! let's claim over it and get some random guy stuck?' I put the claim there in order to take the house that was next to it and didn't think about the fire.

[Devour]

As I stated, loftar said that reincarnated characters will probably eventually not be able to use the same name as the previous one. I do agree that deliberately killing myself in order to change to a new name would perhaps be a slight abuse, but my death today was caused by players taking advantage of my good nature after my honest mistake, so it was their choice.

What is it going to take to get people to realise my mind doesn't work like 'ooh, hearth fire! let's claim over it and get some random guy stuck?' I put the claim there in order to take the house that was next to it and didn't think about the fire.

You claimed the house to abuse the ability to teleport back to your hearthfire out of combat?

[shockedfrog]

Yes, but it's a grey area at this time. Considering how often the same method is being used to get away from foxes, just because it's a slightly different reason for doing it doesn't immediately push it over that grey area line. If the staff officially say how something is intended to work, I will agree to that and inform or report those who continue to abuse it. While it would be very difficult to measure, I believe a number of individual members of your group are responsible for a far greater number of abuses than I and I would hope that you point it out to them, every time.

[Devour]

The difference is the same difference as between a singleplayer game and a multiplayer game.

In a singleplayer game ( i.e. versus the foxes ) you're only cheating yourself. Add that to the fact that foxes are currently UNBEATABLE once you get above a certain zone, and you get the necessity of it.

In a multiplayer game ( i.e. in PvP ) you're cheating everyone else, too.

I'd like you to point out our "bug abusing" players, if you would? Oh, wait.

[Dragooble]

foxes are pieces of data. player characters are pieces of data CONTROLLED by REAL people. therefore REAL people are responsible for everything those pieces of data do while with foxes its a code controlling them and they are not responsible for their actions. i do believe that difference in responsibility is a HUGE difference. and what abuses are you talking about? i don't see my fellow players cowardly escaping from the in game action taken against them that you seem to love so much. how are we supposed to take action against you when you grief us then make a new character to get away from the consequences that follow? that hardly feels like rping to me.

[sami1337]

unbeatable foxes? Even in mordor they are beatable. Unless mordor has it's own rings i don't know of.