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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby Eemerald » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:25 am

Kailvin wrote:Honestly Wow. You all spew hate at him. However honestly as far as leaders go. He was not as bad as you think. Case and point this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek It shows several amazing things he did for his people.
Seriously. He was no where near as bad as you think. infact. NATO killed more civ. then his forces did during the civil war. Also by no means was it a "Regime" It was an absolute democracy. (Basicly Electing a dictator for a term, key is that it is still democratic) Get your facts straight before you tap dance on his grave. (IMO He was no saint but by no means someone we need to celebrate the death of.)

that video has the biggest bullshit i think ive ever come across about libya on the internet. no offense, but this is hardly an unbias view of the dictator. who in the 1980's during the holy month of ramadan, had live hangings of anti governemtn protestors on lIbya television.
who over his 42 year rule, had spies in every home, and inprisoned anyone was remotely anti his regime. many of whom were never seen again
who in the 1990's massacred 1,200 prisoners whose bodies have not been recovered to this day, whose families know nothing about their sons/fathers/husbands whereabouts.
whose awesome healthcare system allowed thousands on young children to cotnract HIV in hospitals In Libya, later blamed on some astern european nurses for contamianting blood
who decided to shoot at peacful protestors live ammunition on the very first days of the revolution
who went on to killt housands, order the rape and torture of thousands of his people.

yep. defiently an awesome guy. accept those terms for housing and so called free electricity. seriously:S
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby jordancoles » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:37 am

Random thought when I look at the dude with the golden pistol he took from the body, think he'll be allowed to keep it to be forever a badass?
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby burgingham » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:46 am

Ketu wrote:I'll be the odd man out...

I am perplexed by watching so many people who are against the death penalty feasting on Gadhafi's corpse.
I wonder which head of state will be next to be targeted and executed without a trial.

Something does not seem right -- Ahmadinejad gets a dinner at Columbia and Gadhafi gets a bullet in the head?


This. Sad to see how none of the ones judging about him are any better. Most of you guys are living in democracies where every man has the right to a fair trial. Many of you even live in advanced democracies where the death sentence is no longer allowed either.

In a war people die yet with todays precision warfare I expect better than this. It looks like he was executed in which case the ones executing him should be held accountable for their crimes in front of an international court just as he would have been held accountable for his crimes.

I know from which country most of those talking about a human beings death and execution so lightly come from. Still to me this is such an inhumane procedure that needs to be kept buried in the dark ages. The day Saddam Hussein was executed I was shocked and sad. Those are the moments showing me way more that probably all hope in humankind is lost than when I see how that dictator himself breaks with all kinds of human rights. When he does it we expect that and we are shocked and even fight a war against him to stop it. The day we win this war though we throw all our ideals over board as well and forget about those very human rights we fought for?

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.


We all agreed to that one by choosing to live in democratic societies. Just read up on Rousseau before you tell me now you never agreed to that.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby jordancoles » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:54 am

burgingham wrote:The day Saddam Hussein was executed I was shocked and sad.


Well seeing as how you brought that up I'll also agree with you. Unlike many people I don't believe that 9/11's purpose was a middle finger to America but it seemed to me to be more like a cry for help. What do you do when all of your country's attempts at overthrowing the government have failed? You reach out for someone bigger than you to do it for you. So Saddam organized the attack in an attempt to piss off America and lure them into overthrowing the government (which they took hook line and sinker). I don't believe that he was an overly bad man and with this idea in mind it's not hard to believe why people would help to hide him after the fact. But now I'm rambling about an unrelated subject.. Bottom line is blood for blood makes us all look like animals and there is always another side to things aside from what the bias media has to tell you.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby rozn » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:29 am

I think you guys are missing the big picture. Sure everyone is SUPPOSED to have a trail and are not guilty until proven guilty, but really? Throughout history there have been executions with no trials because they hated the people. He was a bad man and he killed many people, there is no fair trial anymore. Almost everyone hates him and he woulden't have a neutral party as a jury anyways. Should Hitler have gotten a trial if her were caught? I don't think he should have, either throw him in the deepest darkest dungeon there is or kill him, don't give him a chance to get out of it. Bad people deserve to die and thats the way of life. It's human nature. Whether or not it's fair. Deal with it, because it will never change..
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby burgingham » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:46 am

No, you are missing the big picture. Especially men like Hitler and him deserve a trial.

Trying to get history to help your point here is a horrible idea btw. The same for human nature. Read the part where I am talking about Rousseau again, kthx.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby Grable » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:47 am

Fair trial?

Dude bombed his own people with russian MIGs, ordered his men to rape his own country and a handful of other "pretty" things he came up with.

Human rights?

He's not human.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby ninja_yodeler » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:51 am

Respect for burg...well lets just say I now have more respect points for him than Sabinati does posts on this forum.

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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby burgingham » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:06 am

Grable wrote:Fair trial?

Dude bombed his own people with russian MIGs, ordered his men to rape his own country and a handful of other "pretty" things he came up with.

Human rights?

He's not human.


When I read thing slike this I am afraid the philosophers of the enlightenment weren't enough. We never left the Dark Ages.

You being deliberately provocative doesn't really help your case.

Especially when he himself acted against every law the international community has set during the past 60 years does he deserves a fair trial.

Especially when he is killing and murdering innocent human beings are we forced to never forget he himself is human too.

If everyone thought like the majority of people here does then we would be back to wars and chaos on a worldwide scale in no time.

Sticking to the declaration of human rights is what is giving us the legitimation to punish people like Gaddafi in the first place. The moment we abandon that charter we also abandon our right to judge about people like him.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby Ignus » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:08 am

Eemerald wrote:
Kailvin wrote:that video has the biggest bullshit i think ive ever come across about libya on the internet.


Biased, yes, but you can't say it isn't true; you are being just as one sided in your own way. Him being a murderer doesn't cancel the positive changes he brought to Libya, "good" and "bad" things are not mutually exclusive.

Also, for those enjoying the blood orgy that world leaders have given everyone permission to have, maybe you should look at the footage of him being dragged off to his execution while begging for his life and remind yourself that this is a human being. The hypocrisy flying around is disturbing.
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