I really like this game

[Eemerald]

Welcome to haven and the forums. I think best thing usaid was about beibg hesitant about ppl but when u have little to lose you should always give ppl a chance because its the best way to make friends and get ppl kinned. You take fewer risks when u have a decent charachter.

When i hermitted as i first started this game i died to just about eberything BUT people:D i said hello to eberyone, trusted ppl i met, helped who i could and got helP in return, got protected and supported by randoms, so its well worth the risk early game.

Good luck- u met naowhut and didnt die tjats always a good sign

[Ranma]

learned most of the game system

For some reason I don't agree with this,
Well, I'm one of those hardcore RPG / MMORPG gamers out there, I've played 'at least' 50 different type of RPGs / MMORPGs through my life and still increasing
Usually, it would only takes me few first hours or for complex game, 3-4 days max of time played to know whats ALL the system, here and that is (including googling research, fan-made guides, etc)

But, wait...
For HnH, i feel after i spent 100 hours gametime, i didn't learn any of important shit that you need to know
200 hours gametime ? i only feel i get 65% of game contents experience
300 hours ? yeah probably, 80% [the more you know the more you have question, trust me]
400 hours ? 85-90%

Up until now, when i was still in college, i play at least 8 hours back then, it was 2 years ago
I'm not sure how many hours if all of them were to be summed up. Probably 500hrs+ 600hrs+ ? Not sure

W5, I was a NEET back there, my average time could be like 5 hours a day, maybe more, no less
i don't really remember how much i played, as far as i remember it was around 2-3 months
so here...

raw math calculation (W6 I played from 24 Oct 2011 to 14 Apr-ish 2013)
[6 Months + 14 Days] x Lets's say avg.playtime 4 hours a day (probably more but i'm sure no less)
(180 days x 4 hours) + 14 = 734 hours gametime (not yet added by W5 gametime experience)

Conclusion is, and up until now I still has many more system and shits that I didn't know (for example, some accurate formulas) and i'm sure that most people does as well.

Excuse me but you must be a slow learner then, sure its so complex you can forget things but you dont learn 'new things' all the time after a while.
I also wouldnt so easily say this normally but, 'Well, I'm one of those hardcore RPG / MMORPG gamers out there', man, you're like a hipster.

Heh, slow learner, yes and i bet you didnt know many 'insider' dirty tricks that can be used against you (one of them is force summoning raid at previous worlds)
And you didn't know how to actually straight mining previous world, and many more changes
You're taking the game too shallowly, won't get anywhere
Can't really blame you when your definition of 'understanding' is that shallow, not for me, no sorry

And you don't even know what troll can do now,
and you don't really know how prospecting works with confusing pies (i found my own accurate ways to do this, 100% tested with many experiments)
and lastly, you don't really know how to treeplant works, the quality increment (wiki doesn't tell you exactly how you do this)
and PROBABLY, you don't really know how spiral works
and someone removed the formulas for Hardened Leather Quality (good thing i have that formulas in my head and JUST tried it again and it's still works, it's pretty complicated)
AND again i think you don't know that minehole is now can be bashed
and again i think you don't know crosshair theory works... haha

AND if you have that completion, you as a FAST LEARNER, can you teach me exact formulas to STEEL QUALITY, including how the fuel works. That has been my question for long and nobody seems to be able to confirm the theory
Thanks

Well, i have most crafting formulas inside my head, that's what i mean of completion
i don't take your 'understanding' definition as shallow as that

Try me

[Thijssnl]

Learning 100% of a game like Haven isnt needed. Specialize in several things and ask others what you dont know. What have you accomplished so far to talk down to me?
Extremely arrogant apparently. I think for example I've started and lead more succesful villages, killed more people and raided more villages than you have, no I dont know every single last formula by heart but do I need to?
You're priding yourself on being an extreme nerd and being quite obnoxious about it, happy I've never played with you.
You probably know some more facts than I do, yay for you.

To be able to play Haven decent, you dont need 600 hours of playtime, even reading all info and formulas wont take you over a week.

Your definition of understanding seems to be another meaning than it has, look it up in a dictionary.

[borka]

Thijssnl No1 SuperProHnHplayer ... *clap* *clap* *clap*

[Thijssnl]

Thijssnl No1 SuperProHnHplayer ... *clap* *clap* *clap*

Not at all, I dont claim to be either. I'm responding to him telling me I havent achieved -anything-.

[Ranma]

Learning 100% of a game like Haven isnt needed. Specialize in several things and ask others what you dont know. What have you accomplished so far to talk down to me?
Extremely arrogant apparently. I think for example I've started and lead more succesful villages, killed more people and raided more villages than you have, no I dont know every single last formula by heart but do I need to?
You're priding yourself on being an extreme nerd and being quite obnoxious about it, happy I've never played with you.
You probably know some more facts than I do, yay for you.

To be able to play Haven decent, you dont need 600 hours of playtime, even reading all info and formulas wont take you over a week.

Your definition of understanding seems to be another meaning than it has, look it up in a dictionary.

I thought just now we're talking about 'LEARNING' something (in-game contents)
how come it comes to YOUR raid and YOUR achievement ?
Wow.. PRO.... at derailing obviously

[Thijssnl]

Learning 100% of a game like Haven isnt needed. Specialize in several things and ask others what you dont know. What have you accomplished so far to talk down to me?
Extremely arrogant apparently. I think for example I've started and lead more succesful villages, killed more people and raided more villages than you have, no I dont know every single last formula by heart but do I need to?
You're priding yourself on being an extreme nerd and being quite obnoxious about it, happy I've never played with you.
You probably know some more facts than I do, yay for you.

To be able to play Haven decent, you dont need 600 hours of playtime, even reading all info and formulas wont take you over a week.

Your definition of understanding seems to be another meaning than it has, look it up in a dictionary.

I thought just now we're talking about 'LEARNING' something (in-game contents)
how come it comes to YOUR raid and YOUR achievement ?
Wow.. PRO.... at derailing obviously

You're telling me several things -and you dont even know this, x-, how is that helpful? Not even telling what or how, just naming stuff you know. How is that on topic, Ranma?

[Ranma]

Learning 100% of a game like Haven isnt needed. Specialize in several things and ask others what you dont know. What have you accomplished so far to talk down to me?
Extremely arrogant apparently. I think for example I've started and lead more succesful villages, killed more people and raided more villages than you have, no I dont know every single last formula by heart but do I need to?
You're priding yourself on being an extreme nerd and being quite obnoxious about it, happy I've never played with you.
You probably know some more facts than I do, yay for you.

To be able to play Haven decent, you dont need 600 hours of playtime, even reading all info and formulas wont take you over a week.

Your definition of understanding seems to be another meaning than it has, look it up in a dictionary.

I thought just now we're talking about 'LEARNING' something (in-game contents)
how come it comes to YOUR raid and YOUR achievement ?
Wow.. PRO.... at derailing obviously

You're telling me several things -and you dont even know this, x-, how is that helpful? Not even telling what or how, just naming stuff you know. How is that on topic, Ranma?

How can i give a hints to the thing i didn't know
The only thing i don't know is the STEEL QUALITY theory and some others complicated theories.

responding to your "Achievement" I'm at one of the most leading faction at W6, Land of Gomorrah
Raid experiences ? maybe not as much as you.... BUT BUT
but i bet i HAVE more than you HAVE it on as a CRAFTER
And your saying about pvp section when you don't know force summon raids

and for you to note, you Mr.Know-All High Achievement Super Duper Etc Etc BBQ

And, my achievement this world ? hahaha.... only a few pricks like you didn't really pay attention, sigh...
Look carefully in A&O Threads

[borka]

i guess we should stop the derailing ( i'm guilty for it aswell) as it won't help the OP much...

Ranma and Thijs just seem to have different views on learning and knowing...

sorry Thijs for making jokes at your cost!