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[Myakkk]

To invoke the image in your original post and then use your words is shameful. Someones answer may not be up to your standards or unknowing but it is hardly an excuse to imply they should be rounded up and culled like animals. Shame on you!

I do agree that Hitler was wrong, but only because he lost. For propaganda based reasons.

Whats wrong is your brain. You think every thing can be explained by logic. Even the simple things are inputed logically by your brain and outputted stupidly by your words

[Kathdys]

Who did Lenin exterminate again? It was Cossacks, right?

Oh, and royalists. But everyone does that...

Yeah, I don't know. The symbolism just isn't there.

[loftar]

Who did Lenin exterminate again? It was Cossacks, right?

You seem to have forgotten some ~7 million Ukrainians also.

[Kathdys]

Oh, I thought that was Stalin.

*lots of reading*

...Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Stalin. The famine of 1921 definitely wasn't engineered or designed to kill people, it was an accident, though Lenin compounded the problem at first. He eventually accepted foreign aid to help alleviate it. This famine included Ukraine, but it was mostly in Russia.

The 1932-33 'Great Famine' was probably worse, and definitely worse in Ukraine, though it wasn't confined to Ukraine and millions died elsewhere. It was the result of purposeful effort, though it's not entirely clear whether it was meant to be genocide or was just the result of an incredibly ham-fisted collectivization effort mixed with incompetence and paranoia. It occured under Stalin, though, Lenin died in 1924. This 'Holodomor' is what gets compared to the Holocaust.

[venatorvenator]

Shame on you!

Why do I get the feeling that you wouldn't react so categorically if someone posted a picture of Lenin?

The Nazis are the enemies we hear the most about in our education system, hence the dramatic effect and the need to comment. But they really weren't the top genocides around. Nazis didn't even allow rape of non-aryans because, at least legally, that was Rassenschande. They are just lawful evil, and if they are terrifying it is because they were so charismatic and so similar us (wtf top science, animal rights, massive incentives to public health care, where the fuck did all this go wrong?).

Stalin and the Soviets are another case entirely. And if we start using Asian numbers Nazis and Russians are just newbies - Japan killed around 18 million Chinese civilians, and Mao starved a couple dozen millions more.

That being said, I think Nazi jokes are ok (like those from satwcomic.com), but how you say something often matters more than what you say. Calling someone a Jew derogatorily and using a known symbol of oppression to do so is not the right way. Nor the funny way.

[loftar]

Calling someone a Jew derogatorily and using a known symbol of oppression to do so is not the right way. Nor the funny way.

Yes, I agree with this. I just think the standard reaction against nazis as compared all the other utopia-driven genocides of the liberal era is a bit... weird, and strangely proportioned. It also implies a silent excuse for the others, as in "but they wanted well, it just didn't quite turn out as they intended". It also holds within it the seed of a position of "if Hitler did something, then the opposite of that action must be the right one".

[venatorvenator]

Yeah I understand what you mean. Have you heard of Godwin's law? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

It's amazing how many serious debates on applied ethics and new biotechnologies derail because of that. And incredibly frustrating too. Because "if my opponent can be compared to Hitler in any way, then I'm clearly the correct one".

[borka]

Calling someone a Jew derogatorily and using a known symbol of oppression to do so is not the right way. Nor the funny way.

Yes, I agree with this. .

that fucking post is still up ... sux big time ... but heya you rule here ... so you're the ones that say it's ok ... and be with it ... dosn't matter that anyone reported...
the times are getting fu again ...

[loftar]

that fucking post is still up ... sux big time ... but heya you rule here ... so you're the ones that say it's ok ... and be with it ... dosn't matter that anyone reported...
the times are getting fu again ...

Again, I can't help but get the feeling that you, too, wouldn't be reacting this strongly if he had spoken of a gold star and posted this picture instead:

[soapdish]

Hey, Intel is my guy.

He is new to the game and he created his account name after his processor.
I wanted him to see the forums and make an intro post.
I thought it would be funny based on his name to say something code wise and since 'hello world, end line' is like step oneish I told him to type it.
I had the best of intentions.

I held my tongue, but I have been drinking tonight so...

I feel like I should take the blame for all the crap I haven't wasted too much time reading, but I can tell this thread has upset people.

Have your argument, but I don't like my friend's name being attached to it.
Intel is a kindhearted soul, and if he wasted as much time as I do in the forums he would be insulted by this thread.

Change the topic to my name, I will take the embarrassment.
I hope to not have him log in to the forums and discover what has become of his only post.

There is probably more for me to say, but it doesn't come to mind at the time. (Thank you Canadian whiskey)