Laketown, Gone too far.

[StewineBeef]

Extradition is requesting the criminal or information about the criminal, not demanding, tearing a place up and then killing someone who got a bit ticked and let his mouth run.

[Raephire]

How do you want to settle this then kaka,

I admit that I made a mistake, Service or combat, your choice.

Edit- Please bear(bare?) in mind that I am currently stronger than a level 7 bear, If you can't fight them, don't bother fighting me.

[Rift]

My apoligies gaut, i thought the person who attacked me was you because when i click-chated him i didn't notice a new chat box pop up [I had too many open.. including the one where you told me there was a dead body in kaka's camp].
I do still believe that since you told me of the corpse, and then i was attacked the second i arrived at the scene laketown set me up regardless. And that blame attaches to them for the newbies death by proxy for taking part in the plan.

Yes, i fully admit my wrongdoing with stealing the 2 chests full of steel. I did so in the first post. I was merely talking about the killing of a random noob just to get to me.... when he couldn't of helped you even if he wanted to and how that was way way too far.

And yes, sami, i admit that some responsibility is attached to me for happening to live in the same forest as a person who is killed to get to me... however i only admit that guilt to say that relatively i believe laketown is more responsible for that death then me, and that Raephire is fully responsible.

However, yes, i do have to live with the fact you concider killing someone innocent merely to get to me, and will think about its implications.

I have no intention of becomming a good guy or a bad guy, i merely do whatever i feel is the best for myself and those i care about at the time.

[Raephire]

nah, Rift is 75% responsibile, karblar or whatever is 10% responsible for either lying about you actually being there, 10% for kaka being a blindly vengeful packrat and dealing with a known thief, and 5% my responsibility because Rift, I'm responsible for killing you. May take a bit. You are a slithery one.

[Rift]

nah, Rift is 75% responsibile, karblar or whatever is 10% responsible for either lying about you actually being there, 10% for kaka being a blindly vengeful packrat and dealing with a known thief, and 5% my responsibility because Rift, I'm responsible for killing you. May take a bit. You are a slithery one.

I waited patiently for one of the hearthfires to spawn a player, First player popped up I initiated combat and talked to him. The conversation that I had with the "so called noob" was about rift, It was mostly about what rift had done, I mentioned that I knew rift lived there, no corrections were given. At that time there was no doubt in my mind that rift had plenty to do with that camp, directly, whether or not he had his hearth fire there.

Now as to why I killed the so called noob. When I mentioned that, while I had no proof that rift commited the crimes I was there to kill him for, I did have many people who were upset over the actions and would agree that the events occured.

It was at that time that he said a very stupid thing. "Laketown doesn't have authority here" Sorry pal - When a town is victimized, when a society is victimized, they have authority EVERYWHERE. It's called extradition in the real world. idiot. And I was there to crush someone. I don't appreciate smart mouths. So I punched his teeth into his spine. ^^

Now as for being a noob. Uh.. no. Noobs dont take that much damage before going down. And noobs dont have a dodge rate like that... So yea.

So, you blame the guy you killed for lying about me being there.... because he didn't correct you for saying i lived there?
...I do live *around* there in the sence that i'm not that far away.... To my knowledge he has never been to my house however, nor knows anything about it, but he did know that i lived "around" that part of giant forest.... So i don't see how he was lieing even if you accept the bizzare arguement that not correcting a mistake = a lie. And while you might think of saying "Laketown doesn't have authority here" is somehow offensive to you... which is odd, since it really doesn't, as laketown has neither literal authority via totems, nor any represenatives there, nor any pact, nor anything really... they have nothing there besides ahunting cabin 100's of screen-lengths away at the bottom of the forest... it really is not justification for killing someone.
Even if he was withholding information from you, which he wasn't, that doesn't justify killing him, and it certainly doesn't make him responsible for his own death just because he didn't acknoledge you as a legitamate lawbringer... i mean you admited you had no evidence to him [you claimed that] so who in their right mind would think you were a representative of justice?

Kaka... how is kaka responsible exactly? besides the fact he was a community member there, a community i am not even apart of... you claim i was a "known" thief.. which is odd, because with the exception of stealing from princess/jtg after he stole from us as revenge... and the stealing of 2 chests of steel [something that seems really impossible for kaka to have known with any certainity when i sold it to him]... i mean kaka left the chests in the freaken open... like wide open.. and they were stolen right off him.. he didn't even go on a vengeful rampage or anything after 2 chests of steel were stolen from him out of the blue...

As for me and you responsibilitty wise... you are 100% responsible. Yes.. 100%... why? because you killed him. Theres no probabiltiy involved... you killed a person in cold blood for denying you were justice-incarnate and who had never commited a crime since he started.. atleast to my knowledge.
When i said i accepted responsibility i didn't mean responsibility is like a big pie and you throw whatever pieces at whoever you feel is guilitiest.. i mean MY actions of stealing made people angry, and that anger was taken out on a innocent bystander, therefore i am once removed responsible. Ie.. of your 100%, some of that splashed onto me IN ADDITION TO you being 100% responsible. I am not some crazy puppetmaster that controls what you do, you are your own person capable of making your own decisions. Take some responsibility for your own actions.

[Adam-]

Alright correct me if I'm wrong but here is what I see.

1) Rift is definitely in the wrong for stealing an assload of steel, not really sure why you would do that.
2) Kaka could really kick your ass (Raephire)
3) If you have the steel back, why is this such a problem? This makes you just as bad as him for stealing it back, and now laketown is in the wrong for killing a innocent.

That's my view, otherwise I think both parties should just screw off from each other.

And maybe the person who killed the innocent be hunted down.

[sami1337]

Alright correct me if I'm wrong but here is what I see.

1) Rift is definitely in the wrong for stealing an assload of steel, not really sure why you would do that.
2) Kaka could really kick your ass (Raephire)
3) If you have the steel back, why is this such a problem? This makes you just as bad as him for stealing it back, and now laketown is in the wrong for killing a innocent.

That's my view, otherwise I think both parties should just screw off from each other.

And maybe the person who killed the innocent be hunted down.

You didn't read properly.

1) It doesn't matter he took steel. Rift brought his bad status to Kaka's place endangering everyone.
2) Probably..not entirely sure
3) You can't steal back from a thief. It's called taking back what is rightfully ours. We hired a ranger to do it even.

[provo]

people are suprised that a town is using its power unjustly?
people are suprised that a group of people are utilizing the power to dominate others?

isn't the point of this game to be sandbox?

And funnly enough people are have reproduced the same panicy emotional violent groups of early human history. Given the lack of social strucutre in the game its not suprising.

So my point... people have every right to yell and threaten and couter attack and trap players with murdered innocents. Its part of the game.

However don't accuse players of being bad players, this issue is entirely in-game as far as i can see.... even if it dosn't meat modern standards of morality.

[sami1337]

people are suprised that a town is using its power unjustly?
people are suprised that a group of people are utilizing the power to dominate others?

isn't the point of this game to be sandbox?

And funnly enough people are have reproduced the same panicy emotional violent groups of early human history. Given the lack of social strucutre in the game its not suprising.

So my point... people have every right to yell and threaten and couter attack and trap players with murdered innocents. Its part of the game.

However don't accuse players of being bad players, this issue is entirely in-game as far as i can see.... even if it dosn't meat modern standards of morality.

JTG is the only person that's a bad player.

[Ferinex]

people are suprised that a town is using its power unjustly?
people are suprised that a group of people are utilizing the power to dominate others?

isn't the point of this game to be sandbox?

And funnly enough people are have reproduced the same panicy emotional violent groups of early human history. Given the lack of social strucutre in the game its not suprising.

So my point... people have every right to yell and threaten and couter attack and trap players with murdered innocents. Its part of the game.

However don't accuse players of being bad players, this issue is entirely in-game as far as i can see.... even if it dosn't meat modern standards of morality.

JTG is the only person that's a bad player.

JTG is just a bit of a troll, and as Jorb pointed out, has been responsible for the last three updates.

Although, one of the most obvious fixes would have been town walls, which weren't put in.