The e-mails I get...

[bitza]

There is no way jorb is homophobic. Nobody that draws that many dick shaped landmarks can claim to be straight.

and don't forget this

[jordancoles]

There is no way jorb is homophobic. Nobody that draws that many dick shaped landmarks can claim to be straight.

and don't forget this

Drawing that took time and effort, for sure lol

[burgingham]

Political power grows from the barrel of a gun. Politics is the means by which one interest dominates another interest and enforces its own will through the ultimate and undeniable adjudication of physical force. The ultimate expression of politics is War. It can be dressed in nice clothing, turned into constitutions and parliaments and prettied up to reduce the instances of violent resolution, but at the end of the day the political market always clears and settles debts in violence.

Man is the wolf of man.

You tell me that I should give up shit -- my supposed "white privilege" -- in order to be nice?

Fuck nice.

Is that in any way meant as an answer to my post? Or do you simply not have any answers because I was correct?

The ultimate expression of politics is War.

You got it exactly the wrong way around. War is a means of politics, not politics of war. The world can easily be made peaceful in its very core. You just have to change the education system dramatacially. And I mean really, really dramatically. To believe there are like inherent qualities to humans is such a nonsense. It is all just trained and educated. We believe nothing and we are nothing right after we come out of a womb. We are clean slates, claymen that can and must be formed by those around them.



@People like Grim: To agitate against people because they may have a wrong opinion in the manner you do is just right out fascist. You can criticize in a constructive way, sure. There might be a problem with ethnic minorities losing themselves in a sense of false ethnic pride. You ever asked yourself why though? Because they have been surpressed by white men for centuries. In the end one does not see any way out of such a situation anymore other than through radicalizing oneself. Point in case is islamistic terror. We are responsible for every single "terrorist" that walks the earth today ourselves.

I am not sure why people always act like the status quo is god given. Everything is a result of socialization. Everything. Thus leading to a causal chain causing a specific status quo. The inequality chain that comes with radical movements, with racism from both sides etc was caused by white males over centuries.

It is sickening to see you guys sitting on your thrones of gold, built from the exploits of those very people you now even attack for not behaving the way you expect them to. Talk about adding insult to injury. Every single advantage you can enjoy today in western society was achieved with the blood and sweat of those you now fear. Those who may finally have enough of that shit and are out to get you.

That is left over mentality of slave owners wrapped in a nice new cover called "libertarianism"

[Tonkyhonk]

The world can easily be made peaceful in its very core. You just have to change the education system dramatacially. And I mean really, really dramatically.

calling it easy sounds rather naive to me. how do you change the education system of the countries you arent supposed to intervene with?
idealism is fine, but we have to deal with the reality.

[burgingham]

Ok, the easily is probably wrong. Theoretically possible.

[dagrimreefah]

There might be a problem with ethnic minorities losing themselves in a sense of false ethnic pride. You ever asked yourself why though? Because they have been surpressed by white men for centuries.

That one'size-fits-all excuse is just getting tiresome. Have you ever thought that maybe its just a tribal thing? Humans have natural tribal tendencies, and "losing yourself in ethnic pride" is just another facet of that. I don't believe it has anything to do with being supressed by white people. Its just a weak excuse to fill yourself full of hate.

In the end one does not see any way out of such a situation anymore other than through radicalizing oneself. Point in case is islamistic terror. We are responsible for every single "terrorist" that walks the earth today ourselves.

That just casts the blame off of "the terrorists". So you're saying its understandable and justified that an Islamic radical blows hundreds of people up? What kind of nut are you?

I am not sure why people always act like the status quo is god given. Everything is a result of socialization. Everything. Thus leading to a causal chain causing a specific status quo. The inequality chain that comes with radical movements, with racism from both sides etc was caused by white males over centuries.

Yes because the only reason anyone is ever discriminant or hateful is because of us evil white devils.

It is sickening to see you guys sitting on your thrones of gold, built from the exploits of those very people you now even attack for not behaving the way you expect them to. Talk about adding insult to injury. Every single advantage you can enjoy today in western society was achieved with the blood and sweat of those you now fear. Those who may finally have enough of that shit and are out to get you.

If you're talking about slavery, I urge you to get more acquainted with American history, particularly the numbers. Only 5% of the slaves ever owned in the Western hemisphere were owned in America. By the way, slavery existed in other parts of the world too, not just America. Another thing: there were black slave owners. Very rare, but they were there.

The Dutch had the slave trade in their hands. However, in the past you would rarely ever see a Dutchman capturing an African to sell into slavery. That was all taken care of by other black Africans. African tribes would go out, kidnap hundreds of enemy tribesman, and sell them to the Dutch. So as far as I'm concerned, blacks had a hand in their own captivation. Sorry, but that is just the facts of history.

Slavery is as old as man. Slavery is still going on today. Get off of that cheap topic and come up with a better argument.

That is left over mentality of slave owners wrapped in a nice new cover called "libertarianism"

What does "libertarianism" have to do with this? Now you're just attacking opposing political beliefs. Slavery goes against the very core of libertarianism. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. You just attack any set of beliefs that aren't pure marxist, state-worshipping, and white-hating. If anything, your collectivist ways of thinking are supportive of slavery than any other. Except you don't believe in a private slave ownership. You believe we all should be slaves to the state. That is FAR worse, and given a choice between being a state slave or a private one: I'd be a private slave anyday.

To sum it all up, just because one believes they shouldn't be owned by the state doesn't mean, and actually means the opposite of wishing to engage or participate in slavery. Also, when someone is engaging in ethnic pride does not mean they were supressed by whites. This white guilt bullshit is getting out of hand and makes me want to vomit in your face. No one thinks you're a good and decent person because you constantly bash yourself. You actually have to physically be a good person, Burg. There are no shortcuts, no matter how much you try hating yourself.

This belief that EVERY single ethnicity in the entire world was oppressed by whites is laughably sickening. You know, there are many different ethnicities of whites, too. What kind of whites were they supressed by? All of them?

[burgingham]

And you 2 wonder why you were dropped by Paradox. I doubt it had anything to do about not allowing a 3rd dev, or the pace of the game development.
*snip*

Thank you for this btw. I got some serious thinking to do.

[burgingham]

That one'size-fits-all excuse is just getting tiresome. Have you ever thought that maybe its just a tribal thing? Humans have natural tribal tendencies, and "losing yourself in ethnic pride" is just another facet of that. I don't believe it has anything to do with being supressed by white people. Its just a weak excuse to fill yourself full of hate.

There is no such thing as natural. Everything is socialized and can thus be socialized differently.

That just casts the blame off of "the terrorists". So you're saying its understandable and justified that an Islamic radical blows hundreds of people up? What kind of nut are you?

I never said that. Please do not put words in my mouth. That they kill people is a horrible and unforgiveable thing. There is however a reason they became what they are today. And that reason lies buried deep down in our western society.

If you're talking about slavery, I urge you to get more acquainted with American history

Why do you Americans always assume people are talking about you? I was neither talking exclusively about your slavery, nor about America in particular. Cool down your ego, not everything is always about 'Murica. JUst because others did something before does not make it any better btw. Slavery has always been a dark stain on the history of humankind.

What does "libertarianism" have to do with this? Now you're just attacking opposing political beliefs. Slavery goes against the very core of libertarianism.

After what Jorb wrote here I have to start believing that, yes. There is a racial slur in all his posts that makes me question the very way I have viewed him and Loftar as persons.

This white guilt bullshit is getting out of hand and makes me want to vomit in your face. No one thinks you're a good and decent person because you constantly bash yourself. You actually have to physically be a good person, Burg. There are no shortcuts, no matter how much you try hating yourself.

I am not hating myself. Again, where are you getting this from? And by calling something bullshit you do not make it any less true. The state of poverty and opression large parts of the world live in was caused by a very small minority of white males. Slavery, colonialism, now capitalism as the next logical step. For us to live how we live others have to suffer. Otherwise we couldn't afford our lifestyle, I promise you that. Not even the more poor among us. The simple fact that we are sitting in a warm room by a computer surfing the internet right now shows we are among the priviledged few.

This belief that EVERY single ethnicity in the entire world was oppressed by whites is laughably sickening. You know, there are many different ethnicities of whites, too. What kind of whites were they supressed by? All of them?

I did not say every single. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth that make me look bad? Is that all you got? Propaganda is worth more than a thousand good arguments I guess.

[dagrimreefah]

The state of poverty and opression large parts of the world live in was caused by a very small minority of white males.

Yes, that small group being called The State. You know, the entity you worship. When a small group of white males exploited, it is because they were part of the state (mainly the British Empire, the biggest exploiters in history.)

Slavery, colonialism, now capitalism as the next logical step. For us to live how we live others have to suffer. Otherwise we couldn't afford our lifestyle, I promise you that. Not even the more poor among us. The simple fact that we are sitting in a warm room by a computer surfing the internet right now shows we are among the priviledged few.

No. We can all live comfortably. It is BECAUSE of capitalism that EVERYONE can enjoy a higher standard of living, not just a priviledged few. Read about Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand". The scenario you just laid out is a result of collectivism and the ideologies that are centered around it, namely the ideologies you believe in. Like wealth redistribution. Let's not turn this into an economics debate. :p

I did not say every single. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth that make me look bad? Is that all you got? Propaganda is worth more than a thousand good arguments I guess.

Much like the propaganda you spew about libertarianism being the left-over mentality of slave owners. Hypocrite

[maze]

burgingham wrote:
In the end one does not see any way out of such a situation anymore other than through radicalizing oneself. Point in case is islamistic terror. We are responsible for every single "terrorist" that walks the earth today ourselves.

That just casts the blame off of "the terrorists". So you're saying its understandable and justified that an Islamic radical blows hundreds of people up? What kind of nut are you?

We killed hundreds of there people and ruined there biggest trade. please explain how thats justified or should allow us to mine coltan in iraq for US?
-to fund the forces-