The e-mails I get...

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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby parisparisparis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:57 am

dagrimreefah wrote:I think its pathetic that you think the State can replace the profit seeking entrepenuer, who is responsible for innovation and who has been responsible for the higher standard of living you enjoy today. Without capitalism, there would be no entrepenuer.


Maybe we should stop living by the term 'higher standard of living' . It's based on consuming and never being satisfied.
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby dagrimreefah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:58 am

parisparisparis wrote:
Maybe we should stop living by the term 'higher standard of living' . It's based on consuming and never being satisfied.

Ok, how about "more comfortable living"?
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby Potjeh » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:59 am

dagrimreefah wrote:
burgingham wrote:Same goes for the slave workers. You really believe they have an actual choice?

Yes, because they do. Getting emotionally charged about it doesn't change the facts.

Is starvation really a viable alternative?
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby dagrimreefah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:02 am

Potjeh wrote:Is starvation really a viable alternative?

No but I do believe these people have hands and feet. You can use them to plant corn, or trap an animal, or to travel to another area, or...
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby parisparisparis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:05 am

dagrimreefah wrote:
parisparisparis wrote:
Maybe we should stop living by the term 'higher standard of living' . It's based on consuming and never being satisfied.

Ok, how about "more comfortable living"?


We need to examine if comfort is the best way of live then. Is it really necessary? is comfort the same as good health? does happiness give any comfort.

For me, Comfort isn't the best way. Being healthy is not the same as being comfortable. Happiness has nothing to do with comfort at least for me.

for me , it would be ''more happy life''
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby parisparisparis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:09 am

Tonkyhonk wrote:one thing i know for sure is that an armchair theory doesnt work as you want it to.


i don't know about that , might as well try :D
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby Potjeh » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:11 am

dagrimreefah wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Is starvation really a viable alternative?

No but I do believe these people have hands and feet. You can use them to plant corn, or trap an animal, or to travel to another area, or...

You need land to plant on. Hunting can only support a very small population, you'd have to kill off ~90% of people even in a fairly rural area for the rest to be able to subsist on wildlife. Walking over to the next country won't do you much good if you can't actually get in.
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby dagrimreefah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:14 am

Potjeh wrote:
dagrimreefah wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Is starvation really a viable alternative?

No but I do believe these people have hands and feet. You can use them to plant corn, or trap an animal, or to travel to another area, or...

You need land to plant on. Hunting can only support a very small population, you'd have to kill off ~90% of people even in a fairly rural area for the rest to be able to subsist on wildlife. Walking over to the next country won't do you much good if you can't actually get in.

Still doesn't fit the definition of slavery...

You don't have to have land to own chickens, and you can grow a sufficent amount of food in the amount of space your body is occupying. Really doesn't take much..
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby burgingham » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:14 am

dagrimreefah wrote:You mean businessmen? Quit trying to equate a greedy businessman with an entire economic school of thought. Its really disgusting.




I have yet to see a single representative of that school of thought that does not fit my description.

Also, the state is the only one with any legitimate means, yes. It was given to it by the people.

dagrimreefah wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Is starvation really a viable alternative?

No but I do believe these people have hands and feet. You can use them to plant corn, or trap an animal, or to travel to another area, or...


You aren't really that naive, are you? Travel with what? Travel where? There is no escape, no choice. That is very basic sociology btw. People can not just walk out on a system.

Plant corn? I am pretty sure the capitalists that bribe the south-american landlords will make sure someone shows up with a gun if any farmer dares to plant for himself and not for the company.

Same goes for the animal. We are yet again living in feudalist circumstances where the owner of the land (nowadays a company) can forbid you to hunt.

The only real choice the people have is to rise up together and get rid of those soul eating companies. It seems in some countries people begin to understand that. Claiming the state back from capitalism. Fighting those that make them poor. Point in case? The FIFA in Brazil right now. They forced their billion dollar privileges onto the state, no taxes, selling only their corporate products instea dof local businesses being able to profit from the cup etc.

The state isn't bad. It is the only thing we have. It was the capitalists pulling the strings in the background that made it go to waste. The same capitalists that probably laugh about you for believing in them and for blaiming the state when they are the ones that make the state's decisions you hate so much.

Btw nobody needs your innovation. What a stupid buzzword without any meaning.
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Re: The e-mails I get...

Postby burgingham » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:15 am

dagrimreefah wrote:Still doesn't fit the definition of slavery...


How is semantics of any use here? We can call it elefantpoop for all I care. It is a fact that people are being illegitimately exploited here.
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