The e-mails I get...

[Amanda44]

On that note, I do respect you for actually putting your balls on the table and indulging me with this debate. I must go to bed now, but I do thank you (handshake)

Anytime. I can't help it anyway.

And I would like to thank both of you.
The best debates I have ever seen on this forum have been between the pair of you.

Respect is due, regardless of personal opinions, to the both of you. The last four pages have been most enjoyable reading.
Thank you.

[Dorky]

*content deleted by myself because I'm not happy with it*

[burgingham]

You seem to not have understood what I am saying. The ones I am talking about don't have the basic morals you are talking about btw. They kill people on a daily basis.


Doesn't matter what has been happening in the past. This is the current status quo and it has been for quite a while. It is not really important wether egyptians opressed people 3000 years ago too. We are having a debate about contemporary cultural discourses and in those the white males have had a dominant role for centuries now. Securing that status through influencing the common course of any kind of communication (see the "faggot" debate for example where they make people believe such a thing is normal and has no underlying second layer).

Sure it is somewhat arbitrary that it is white males right now dominating culture and its discourse and thrusting their own terminology upon it. If history had gone different and the conveyer belt had been developed in Ghana and Ghana would have also had different agricultural basics* then we might be ruled by black west african males nowadays.

That is however not how history went so we gotta deal with our status quo and that is how I described it.

*mind you those 2 attributes are chosen arbitrarily, I am not saying it was indeed just the conveyer belt introducing white men's supremacy...one would have to have a much longer talk to find the cultural, scoiological and historical reasons for that

P.S.: I am not saying we are having a good life btw. We are having a horrible life without the option to any truly free decision. Our decisions have all already made been for us in the marketing departments of big companies. We are also being kept as poor and as dumb as it suits those in power.

[painhertz]

If history had gone different and the conveyer belt had been developed in Ghana and Ghana would have also had different agricultural basics* then we might be ruled by black west african males nowadays.

If you are so ignorant as to to truly believe that my only response is that the tenents put forth in Post-War Germany have entirely emasculated your society. Africans never invent ANYTHING and will never "rule" anything. be PC all you want but reality agrees with me.

[jorb]

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

I am well aware that I can get into trouble for speaking my mind.

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It is a sign of a troubled culture that you people cannot entertain a serious debate on much anything without becoming indignant, irate, and without throwing around accusations of hidden agendas and secret motives, or without going into the bends over how I am an evil person and how you must "seriously reconsider your previously warm and brotherly feelings", or without gasping off into sotto voce of how "you never knew", and "who could have known", as if I had committed some grave and serious sin that dare not speak its name.

It doesn't matter how many times I assert that I carry no malice toward anyone. It is as if the words have no meaning.

Why do you -- who boast of and present yourselves as the guardians and paragons of the values of tolerance, compassion and open and healthy debate -- reduce yourselves to pathetic and helpless cries of "Witch!" at the first sight of serious challenge to your dogmas? AND WHY IS THIS ALWAYS THE CASE!? WHY DO LIBERALS ALWAYS CALL FUCKING WITCH-HUNTS EVERYTIME YOU TRY TO DEBATE THEM ON A SERIOUS TOPIC!? How do you always manage to make the transition from "wrong" to "evil" so lightly?

These are attempts at intimidation, not discussion, and most certainly not a discussion among friends, and also a prime example of why liberalism is so dangerous, and why it poses such an enormous threat to the social harmony and fabric of the West, and precisely why we must firmly labor to root it out through love, compassion and every angel of a better nature.

I indeed, burgingham, have nothing to say to you. Arguing is entirely futile when I don't see any common ground on which to construct arguments, and that frankly makes me very sad.

I believe I've made myself clear enough. Suffice it to say that I stand by every word, and take nothing back.

Nos vemos.

[Duane]

Nos vemos.

Game developer, Preacher, Dick Enthusiast.

Jorb, Everybody.

[naosnule]

It doesn't matter how many times I assert that I carry no malice toward anyone. It is as if the words have no meaning.

Perhaps it doesn't really matter whether or not you actually have a direct desire to cause other people harm, but rest assured that several of your ideas are considered to lead to "harmful" effects if they were to be implemented. Perhaps that's why it doesn't really matter that you claim that you don't directly carry malice towards anyone.

[RedKGB]

No, because Monsanto owns all the land. Also:

Maximum number of fowls per acre: 100 laying hens [40 m² per hen].

That's way less efficient than crops, especially potato. And even if you grew nothing but potato, you'd still need 150-200 m^2 of irrigated farmland to provide one person with 2000 calories a day. Not that you could do physical labour like farming on 2k calories a day, you need closer to 5k. And not to mention you'd get every imaginable nutritional deficiency and die in a matter of months if you ate nothing but potatoes.

I owen over 300 acres in two different states. My family owens several thousand acres across a dozen states, and we are not Monsanto. Next a hen only needs one foot of cubed space to live. It will live in filth, but it can live and lay eggs. Next I grew up dirt as poor, 70-80% of the food we ate we grew ourselves or hunted. 1 acre garden can, has, and will countinie to feed a family of 4 thru out a full year.

I have lived that life, and pulled my self up out of poverty as well as my brothers and sisters. I find it funny that people that have never done it says it cant be done.

[Flame]

It is a sign of a troubled culture that you people cannot entertain a serious debate

Are you asking that someone describes to you all the reasons that make people think that you have so much to learn?
'Cuz this topic started with your arrogant laugh and you can't expect that people don't act the same for the whole topic.
Plus, it lost totally any meaning, swimming trough so many words that it's impossible have a Sunto of the argument.


Do you like to learn? To listen? 'Cuz i love to explain and talk and this could be a reason to join this topic.
But in 6 years all i've seen from your act is that You've Right and others don't. This is the first time you show yourself so much.
I've not joined the massive politic discussion, i don't care those but i will happily talk with you.
So, what's the point, Jorb? Ad i will answer you on it, reading you carefully, answering to you in the most mature way i can.

[jorb]

Are you asking that someone describes to you all the reasons that make people think that you have so much to learn?

But, Flame, I know the insides and outsides of every argument you could ever present? I have grown up with them and been completely immersed in a culture that promotes nothing but the ideas that you advance, yet I have rejected them.

Forgive me, but it isn't a question of me being ignorant of your ideas. Quite the contrary.