Petition from Russian Community. For Developers

[Halagaz]

I'm very sad because every time i find a good game, every single time it went to those kind of crap, ie boting/friendship with the devs and heavy exploiting factions all around, can you guys just fucking play the games and report the bugs you find...

And i'm not targeting the "russians" here more than others, i have a lot of respect for the slavic people having half my family slavic and have lived in both west and slavic countries for a long time, sometime their way to behave may seam strange to us western, but they are far from being stupid. Maybe if the guys tell you they have to force show you the dev, even its half true, the other half show something wrong.

Also i can see why the russian are that but hurt i would feel the same, i might be wrong, but let see how that evolved. The guys report stuff that are put aside. They got kicked for "unprofesional" behavior. So they show them proof and force them to confront with reality and how much they are wrong. Man crashing the server on purpose or half purpose (i don't know that really) is all but bad tester to me whatever the way they use this. Dev reward the opposit faction... I would also be butthurt really.

The only thing a bit blurry is why you russian guys haven't talked to the dev after you did that? They have even posted on the forum and asked you to report, why haven't you done so?

It remind me the way someone put a claim in the way to my palisade when i was building it last word. Ye i was smart enought to get the best of it with a somewhat trade. Maybe do the same thing guys.

Naturally i just talk about what i read here, i have no real insight in fact to even talk, so take it as a comment more tha anything.

peace, mir

[Windforce]

Not saying small villages are there for "pumpkin head" to raid.

Bevelle(W3) was rather self-sufficient with Q100+ Armor/Weapons, mind you I have traded with AD Sodom and ppl from the Apple/Orange thread before all were friendly to me.

Ask the villages in my SG, I found them starting out, I went and give them Metal plow, Metal Tools and advice of where to get Q resources, even gave my Extra Tin/Copper mines to them so they can build up their Town, a CR to my City Gates so they can trade with Sodom/AD/Whoever has acess to my City outter CR.

I've even help repel attackers when one of my friend's village had attackers trying to build a Ram at their gate, gave them q70/80 Bronze plates and drove the attackers away.

I'm not saying playing happymode makes us vunerable to raiders, just not all of us wants to be #1 or rule to world.

[Potjeh]

Another lazy one have awaken. Please read all the topic. I CAN still be number 1. I want game mechanics to be changed so this bots would be needless.

And the curiosity system is a huge step in that direction, so I don't get what's the problem. Rebalance of study times could eliminate the need for curiosity reloading bots. For example, they could make constant reloading of cone cows inferior to using curiosities that take a whole day and can thus easily be reloaded manually. Though this may already be the case, we need to unlock all the curiosities and play with them a bit to figure out what needs changing. Sure, you could use bots to make some curiosities, but I have a feeling that easily bottable ones are simply inferior (take cat gold for example). And I seriously doubt you can write a successful foraging bot, that thing would last an hour or two before somebody kills it.

What's the point? You have village in peace and have fun with friends and hunt animals and so on and then some Pumpkinheads come and destroy everything you love. Do you like being humiliated? Or do you like stoop to beg powerful villages to protect you? That was the thing with AD and Russian community, by the way. Before w4 they always help everybody who ask for. Then they started to put price for their help. Transformed from peacekeepers to extortioners Very similar to USA, don't you find that? =) Oh, excuse me for that little trolling.

Maybe you should have tried going to the "bourgeoisie". I assure you, there are plenty of people who will track and kill criminals for free. My own W3 village of Buyan, for example, killed all criminals in our supergrid, because it's better to put out the fire on the neighbours house than to wait for it to cross to your own house.

Let's also speak about trades with neighbor villages. Usually fun-villages have nothing to trade with power-villages. Power-villages have q70 metals, q100 fibres, q60 pumpkins, q200 bones and so on. They need nothing from their younger neighbors. They need only slaves that will cut trees, make bricks, make cupboards. Russian community even have mem: "brick slavery".

Does food sound like an acceptable trade good to you? Or linen? Chantrelles maybe? Or even ores, now that we have this mining system? What do you want to trade really? Because anything with value can be sold, the only way you won't get a trade is if you're asking for unreasonable trades. Yeah, your low q goods will be worth less than the high q goods of advanced villages, but that makes perfect sense since their utility is lesser. And for most stuff this difference isn't actually drastic, as the value is calculated by SQM (ie q40 good = 2x price, q90 = 3x etc.).

Moreover, none of power-villages would ever-ever want to trade q70 pickaxe for example. And clay. High-quality clay become such precious that I was trading 40 q80 bricks for a bar of gold!
Is this logical? Are you ok with it?

It's not never ever. Yeah, I wouldn't trade good clay, picks or weapons and armour to any random person. Some goods are simply dangerous to sell openly, and I need to trust the other party before I'll sell them. But if you prove yourself as a peaceful village that can keep a secret (more often than not I don't want people to know you bought that stuff from me), it's not a problem. As for clay, it simply is the most valuable resource in the game, and the demand always exceeds supply, so it's high price is simply the result of market forces.

[Masa]

This ****y new LP system was created because of your bots and now you're here complaining about not being the number 1?

Another lazy one have awaken. Please read all the topic. I CAN still be number 1. I want game mechanics to be changed so this bots would be needless.

And I want to see every russian botter banned instead of a mechanic which makes botting impossible (IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). I don't care if you are or will be number 1, as long as proper punishment takes place for botters (ban).


I understand that some of you think that we don't have any "extra players" to lose. That's partly true, but if you think botters as rotten apples, you definitely want to get rid of them even if it means having less total apples. After all, the number of delicious apples remains the same even after botters have been banned.

[Haba]

This ****y new LP system was created because of your bots and now you're here complaining about not being the number 1?

Another lazy one have awaken. Please read all the topic. I CAN still be number 1. I want game mechanics to be changed so this bots would be needless.

And I want to see every russian botter banned instead of a mechanic which makes botting impossible (IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). I don't care if you are or will be number 1, as long as proper punishment takes place for botters (ban).

It is not a question of losing players, but rather wasted effort as the developers would have to dedicate time to find and ban botting users. And on the other hand they've quite clear policy of not banning people for any reason.

[Garlicman]

This ****y new LP system was created because of your bots and now you're here complaining about not being the number 1?

Another lazy one have awaken. Please read all the topic. I CAN still be number 1. I want game mechanics to be changed so this bots would be needless.

And I want to see every russian botter banned instead of a mechanic which makes botting impossible (IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). I don't care if you are or will be number 1, as long as proper punishment takes place for botters (ban).


I understand that some of you think that we don't have any "extra players" to lose. That's partly true, but if you think botters as rotten apples, you definitely want to get rid of them even if it means having less total apples. After all, the number of delicious apples remains the same even after botters have been banned.

You want the devs to take their time hunting for botters instead of developing the game? Ban is not a good decision.

[Masa]

Another lazy one have awaken. Please read all the topic. I CAN still be number 1. I want game mechanics to be changed so this bots would be needless.

And I want to see every russian botter banned instead of a mechanic which makes botting impossible (IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). I don't care if you are or will be number 1, as long as proper punishment takes place for botters (ban).

It is not a question of losing players, but rather wasted effort as the developers would have to dedicate time to find and ban botting users. And on the other hand they've quite clear policy of not banning people for any reason.

The 1st reason you mentioned could be avoided by having forum mods to do the "dirty job".

I know that policy they have, but if russian botters keep showing their a** to developers for long enough, that policy just *might* disappear into thin air.

[Jackard]

The 1st reason you mentioned could be avoided by having forum mods to do the "dirty job".

The answer is no.

[Koya]

And I want to see every russian botter banned instead of a mechanic which makes botting impossible (IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). I don't care if you are or will be number 1, as long as proper punishment takes place for botters (ban).

How you plan to find people that bot ?
In this game there are a lot of repeating actions. So you will need to sit, and look thru the logs.

[Flame]

one of the easyest way is to randomly make a question windows to a player where he need to click the right answer in some minuts. otherwise, banned.