Botting Tutorials for Newbies DEBATE

[_Gunnar]

(IMO when development on H&H starts up again it would be great if they revamped some of the boring/repetitive/meaningless tasks with gameplay that requires some sort of meaningful decision making. For example having farming be more complex - breeding for various different traits or something (like livestock), but this is a different matter I guess. And it would be nice if they made a few things a bit automated, like harvesting for example. Would be nice to be able to harvest a "field" until your inventory is full, at the very least.)

Oh man, I can't really say much because I promised not to and I really do stick to my word but but -- you will love the updates in Salem if and when they are brought back into HnH. Just a lot of the ideas that you will enjoy, I swear it.

Thanks, it is really nice to hear that there is hope - I am constantly hoping to hear something like this!

[Jester87]

Not disagreeing because that makes sense. The entire system is flawed.

You do make fair points at times but you surely know how to be an obstinate dick about it.
But yes, it is quite fair to say that how villages, walls, and siege are handled needs to be revised. Whether the new system will solve all of these problems we'll see, I think it's also fair to say that it'll be highly experimental when that's introduced. A lot of this is a big learning experience for both players and devs alike.

Well, I do have to inject all of my posts with a moderate level of flame.

Can I be the forum resident obstinate dick? Lets see how many people ninjapost screencaps of my lengthy screeds.

Glad you can weed out and get my main points, though. Thanks.

[brohammed]

Jester, you seem perfectly reasonable to me.

[Jester87]

Jester, you seem perfectly reasonable to me.

Tytytyty. Join the bot alliance?

[joojoo1975]

my 0.02$(again)

so here we all debating about "to use or not to use"

Personally, anybody who cheats in a game is a sad pathetic coward. is botting cheating? yes. have bots been around for ever? yes. Do most people who's been in H&H bot? from what i have read I would say Yes.

But why is all this debate against Jester. It's like peeps are upset cause he put in bottin tutorials and such, so as he says "everybody has a fair shot" so to speak. Is he right? To all of you who's played since world 2. did/do you bot? used the loom exploit. did anykind of "wall-jump" exploit? Do/did you use any kind of slider macro or any kind of script/macro to keep yourself online so you can change your slider faster? have you ever had a Hearth Vault? If you said yes to any of those, then guess what, your a sad pathetic coward.

When i first saw this i basically said that the cancer has spread so far it's become incurable. but the fact of the matter is, the cancer had become incurable the moment that these things were allowed to exist(loom, wall-jump, macro/bot vault) from the Devs. I'm sorry J&L but since you knew about this stuff in the beginning. you allowed the cancer to spread. I know what you said back then"do you want us to be cheater police or develop new content?" well lets take a look at where we are now. Death is no longer a sting? The rise of the "Alt-Army"? is social/polotical involvment being a positive still happen? the thought of most if not all your client base "the game is broken/seriously flawed"


To all those who never botted/macro'd/wall-jumped/Vaulted etc etc.

Your a rare, special but dieing Breed. I salute you.

[jordancoles]

Games that you play on a regular basis (Your favourite game to play) usually turns out in this order:
1. Just discovering the game, herp derping around, dying etc
2. Getting to know the game decently and working towards small goals
3. Getting in tighter with the game community, not botting, still sort of derping but not really
4. Very involved in the community, striving for large goals, have all the utilities/knowledge that you need to do things effectively, use bots and multiple characters to attain your goals as effectively as you possibly can

Imo bots are simply tools used on the side so that you can deal with more pressing issues at the time

Example: I need a foundation laid, trees cut, crops harvested but oh no, I work in 4 hours and I'd need to pick only one.
Nope! Chuck Testa. Do the one you enjoy the most and check in on your bots every so often. It's all about what's fun to you.

[Jester87]

Games that you play on a regular basis (Your favourite game to play) usually turns out in this order:
1. Just discovering the game, herp derping around, dying etc
2. Getting to know the game decently and working towards small goals
3. Getting in tighter with the game community, not botting, still sort of derping but not really
4. Very involved in the community, striving for large goals, have all the utilities/knowledge that you need to do things effectively, use bots and multiple characters to attain your goals as effectively as you possibly can

Imo bots are simply tools used on the side so that you can deal with more pressing issues at the time

Example: I need a foundation laid, trees cut, crops harvested but oh no, I work in 4 hours and I'd need to pick only one.
Nope! Chuck Testa. Do the one you enjoy the most and check in on your bots every so often. It's all about what's fun to you.

This post touches on an important aspect of why bots change the nature of this game - time. Bots increase your productivity, and effectively turn the individual player into a manager rather than a solo player. Furthermore, bots decrease the losses caused by pvp in a hardcore nature. Dying becomes less important when your resource collection increases on a large scale, and bots make increasing resource collection easy.

[burgingham]

If you said yes to any of those, then guess what, your a sad pathetic coward.

Why?

If people feel it is necessary to use those maybe it is not their, but the games fault.

[ewlol]

Trying to justify botting in this game is just like trying to justify cheating on a test in school. Both acts stem from inherent laziness, nothing further. Using "monotonous" and "repetitive" as adjectives to describe what is being automated is simply a bad excuse. We as players of this game hunger for excellence (excellence in comparison to other players), and will go to any length to achieve it. Except, through botting there is no achieving.

Botting's consequences are on a virtual scale, cheating on tests on a real life scale, yet both share in their consequences not of the culprit but of the victim. Both cheating (on a test) and botting (in a video game) compromise the integrity of either the test or the game. Thus, by botting one is blatantly insulting jorb and loftar. One is invalidating their work. This idea being completely efficient is completely flawed. Part of being efficient is creating something with value... achieving. Yet, how is anyone achieving something through bots? How can any product of a bot be valued whatsoever?

I believe efforts should be taken, not just by the community, but also by the developers to stop botting. We as players should strive to honestly achieve excellence in the game. We should hope to be moral players. We should hope to know our limits. Developers too must maintain their control over the game, however much they dislike it. The developers should not accept complete vandalization of their work, one that they take such pride in--so much they refuse to accept suggestions and ideas towards.

[jordancoles]

Trying to justify botting in this game is just like trying to justify cheating on a test in school. Both acts stem from inherent laziness, nothing further. Using "monotonous" and "repetitive" as adjectives to describe what is being automated is simply a bad excuse. We as players of this game hunger for excellence (excellence in comparison to other players), and will go to any length to achieve it. Except, through botting there is no achieving.

Botting's consequences are on a virtual scale, cheating on tests on a real life scale, yet both share in their consequences not of the culprit but of the victim. Both cheating (on a test) and botting (in a video game) compromise the integrity of either the test or the game. Thus, by botting one is blatantly insulting jorb and loftar. One is invalidating their work. This idea being completely efficient is completely flawed. Part of being efficient is creating something with value... achieving. Yet, how is anyone achieving something through bots? How can any product of a bot be valued whatsoever?

I believe efforts should be taken, not just by the community, but also by the developers to stop botting. We as players should strive to honestly achieve excellence in the game. We should hope to be moral players. We should hope to know our limits. Developers too must maintain their control over the game, however much they dislike it. The developers should not accept complete vandalization of their work, one that they take such pride in--so much they refuse to accept suggestions and ideas towards.

Look at it this way, I built a village in w5, w6 came and oh look, same shit. I'd rather not do the same thing twice. Also, I understand the idea of cheating on a test leaving you with less knowledge is the same concept as here. But generally speaking if you're using a bot (at the moment) you've been around the block a few times already and there's nothing left to learn from building walls and digging clay

Edit for spelling errorsss~