The e-mails I get...

[dagrimreefah]

A racist can very well have friends of many ethnicities. A person can be a racist by merely acknowledging that negroids on average have significantely lower iq than caucasians. Does that mean that that we should discriminate against people based on their race? Sweden's state "religion", which I am strongly emotionally comfortable with, states that we shouldn't discriminate in such manner.

Semantically speaking, the only way you can't be a racist is if you're deaf and blind, if you wish to take the word to its full logical conclusion...

I was trying to avoid semantics. But very well. I am not discriminant. Happy?

[naosnule]

A racist can very well have friends of many ethnicities. A person can be a racist by merely acknowledging that negroids on average have significantely lower iq than caucasians. Does that mean that that we should discriminate against people based on their race? Sweden's state "religion", which I am strongly emotionally comfortable with, states that we shouldn't discriminate in such manner.

Semantically speaking, the only way you can't be a racist is if you're deaf and blind, if you wish to take the word to its full logical conclusion...

I was trying to avoid semantics. But very well. I am not discriminant. Happy?

Yes .

[Potjeh]

No, because Monsanto owns all the land. Also:

Maximum number of fowls per acre: 100 laying hens [40 m² per hen].

That's way less efficient than crops, especially potato. And even if you grew nothing but potato, you'd still need 150-200 m^2 of irrigated farmland to provide one person with 2000 calories a day. Not that you could do physical labour like farming on 2k calories a day, you need closer to 5k. And not to mention you'd get every imaginable nutritional deficiency and die in a matter of months if you ate nothing but potatoes.

I owen over 300 acres in two different states. My family owens several thousand acres across a dozen states, and we are not Monsanto. Next a hen only needs one foot of cubed space to live. It will live in filth, but it can live and lay eggs. Next I grew up dirt as poor, 70-80% of the food we ate we grew ourselves or hunted. 1 acre garden can, has, and will countinie to feed a family of 4 thru out a full year.

I have lived that life, and pulled my self up out of poverty as well as my brothers and sisters. I find it funny that people that have never done it says it cant be done.

Yeah, owning thousands of acres sure is comparable to being a landless prole in the Third World.

How do you manage to grow all the feed the chicken requires in just 1 cubic foot?

Also, calling bullshit on feeding 4 people on 1 acre. Growing enough fruits and vegetables? Sure. Growing enough cereals (ie the bulk of caloric intake)? Yeah, right, I'd love to see that.

[RedKGB]

It seems to me the insults and the inability to take forth a formerly quiet discussion have very much only arisen now since you re-entered the thread.

so it would seem

Or is it the fact that jorb has pointed out rascism as he sees it. The poster could have chosen any other country, but he choose a country from Africa. He could have explained his choose but did not, and left a massive vacum where a reader must take certain steps to understand why he choose that country. The first thing that pops in my head is a country with out a central state, rife with crime, and that happens to have a large population of black people. The poster assumes I am white, and I am allowed to make this assumpation since he did not frame his pick with an explanation. So the poster seen todo nothing more then show his rascism of white against black and the vice versa. Jorb called at as he sees it and spoke what he feels is the truth.

[RedKGB]

Chickens will eat anything,anything beening just that, left overs, bones, other chickens, grass picked from the road side, leafs from trees, bark, cooked meat, and lay alot of eggs on nothing. During winter a chickens body clock will tick over to survival from laying.

Land in the states cost more then a third world country, so yes it is still valid, and yet you say companys own all the land and when pointed out that they do not, you run for some grey area where you talk about third world countries. If you want your comments to be taken one way and one way only then attach an explantion to it.

Your inability to open your mind to other ways of life will lead you to the darkside of the force, dont care about your bullshit, I know its real, I have lived it.

[burgingham]

It seems to me the insults and the inability to take forth a formerly quiet discussion have very much only arisen now since you re-entered the thread.

so it would seem

Or is it the fact that jorb has pointed out rascism as he sees it. The poster could have chosen any other country, but he choose a country from Africa. He could have explained his choose but did not, and left a massive vacum where a reader must take certain steps to understand why he choose that country. The first thing that pops in my head is a country with out a central state, rife with crime, and that happens to have a large population of black people. The poster assumes I am white, and I am allowed to make this assumpation since he did not frame his pick with an explanation. So the poster seen todo nothing more then show his rascism of white against black and the vice versa. Jorb called at as he sees it and spoke what he feels is the truth.

So that is a reason to call him a disgusting cunt, noted.

Jorb didn't really think that was racism btw. He just wanted to provoke with a cynical hyperbole in a desperate attempt to point out double standards. Which he made up though. Even though that example isn't chocen perfectly it was trying to make an entirely different point than the one Jorb is making it out to be.

[Wolfang]

There is no difference between any human and any other human in the moment they leave that womb. Every difference is formed after and is formed by such factors as parent, friends, education, society, culture etc.

Don't want to get involved, just been following the topic and I had to laugh at this statement. There is a huuuge debate going on about nature vs nurture and you just completely ignored the nature side. There have been tons of studies that prove people are not the same when they leave the womb. This has been proven in studies where orphan twin or triplet or x children are given out on adoption, and all have a very high correlation in the grades they get, a lot more like their biological parents and biological siblings that they have never met, and very different from the people that adopted them and their non-biological family.

Just wanted to point that out before people start believing stuff written in heated debate on a forum.

Furthermore I think affirmitive movements have an opposite effect as it increases racism. Sure it provides opportunities for lesser classes/races, but you also aknowledge the fact that there are races (something which isn't aknowledged officially where I'm from) and secondly, you create a difference between these races because one receives different treatment from another. Which is why race should not be a variable used to judge whether one is or is not allowed to make use of a certain benefit. edit: Obviously this has an effect: Animosity towards 'races' increase.

Sigh, I had a lot more written up, but decided it would be better to just delete it all, an argument like this is best kept in cafés with a good beer.

[RedKGB]

Your off shot call todo it someplace eles shows that you dont understand it from the start. Lets first look at your desire to attack someone that has made it from nothing, instead of saying good job, you attack and say well do it again over here. You dont get it, and I hope you do get it one day. Secound lets look at the difference's of the two countries, one has a state that allows people to better themselves from hard work, the other lacks a true central state and any movement up will be based on blood and death. Lets compare apples to apples and grapes to grapes next time.

I am sorry, I mistakingly thought that you were implying that practically any person on this globe can break free from poverty on their own.

I am sorry that I implied that, since I did not frame my answer one way and one way only, it could have been taken that way.

[naosnule]

It seems to me the insults and the inability to take forth a formerly quiet discussion have very much only arisen now since you re-entered the thread.

so it would seem

Or is it the fact that jorb has pointed out rascism as he sees it. The poster could have chosen any other country, but he choose a country from Africa. He could have explained his choose but did not, and left a massive vacum where a reader must take certain steps to understand why he choose that country. The first thing that pops in my head is a country with out a central state, rife with crime, and that happens to have a large population of black people. The poster assumes I am white, and I am allowed to make this assumpation since he did not frame his pick with an explanation. So the poster seen todo nothing more then show his rascism of white against black and the vice versa. Jorb called at as he sees it and spoke what he feels is the truth.

Corruption, internal conflics, lack of a reliable judicial system, islamic extremism, geographical location, massive issues with their education system (only 42% of primary school children are in school), etc. I.e. far worse conditions than those present in USA, the land of possibilities.

[RedKGB]

@ burg, thats how I veiwed, and yes I made assumetions out of jorbs view point and mind on it.