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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Tonkyhonk » Wed May 11, 2011 3:08 am

wow... i never knew you could read manga for free like this in english xD
(how does the copyright thing work on these sites, if i may ask? ←not meaning to report illegal, its amazing)

i never had an opportunity to read otoyomegatari before, but heard it got a huge number of enthusiastic fans. i guess its time for me to start reading it! (i always buy or peek at stores, never thought of reading whole thing on internet xD makes me feel im getting real old now.)

i checked the site a bit, let me add a bit more historical ones ive read and enjoyed from those i could find there.(might have missed some, its hard to find them with different titles in english.)

BUDDHA
you know who Buddha was :P you can learn what buddhism is from this if you havent already.
first 1, 2 volumes may be a bit lame to some of you, but let me assure it will get better and better.
his art may not as fancy as other comics, and you may find some of his jokes interrupting, but its his style.
without Tezuka, this artist, our manga/anime culture must not have prospered this much this day.
his another work on Hitler is excellent too, but couldnt find a link for free reading.

Rose of Versailles
maybe a bit too "shoujo" to many musculine readers out there and very old, but this is where most japanese girls learned about Marie Antoinette and French Revolution, and the european history around that time. parts of stories shown here are still played repeatedly at theatres here in japan by Takarazuka (women-only acting).
there are many other historical works by her, especially on European history. The Window of Orpheus is another outstanding work of hers that taught many Japanese about German, Austrian and Russian history in the beginning of 20th century, though i couldnt find a link for free reading.

Ouke no Monshou / Royal Emblem
aye, another a bit too "shoujo", but so many Japanese, no matter what gender, leanred about Egyptian history through this manga. believe it or not, even some famous archiologists claim so in public, and a big illustration of this manga (the artist's original drawing) is said to be decorated on the wall of Japan embassy in Egypt.
there are many inaccurate and unrealistic drawings and stories/plots, like students getting inside a newly discovered tomb first hand and taking back a piece of clay board without permissions, but if you can just ignore those, you can enjoy the drama. some names are spelled wrong in english, e.g. the pharaoh's name is supposed to be "Memphis" and his sister queen "Isis" isntead of what you see there.
(there are many more manga based on Egyptian history and more accurate, but couldnt find in english.)

Sangokushi / Romance of the Three Kingdoms
this manga is from Chinese most famous historic novel, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, but the artist based it on a japanese rewritten novel on it, so some may differ a lot to its original texts. im pretty sure many of you know the story from games instead, so ill skip explanations. there is another comic based on the same story which i actually read first and enjoyed more, but couldnt find it in english.

Merginal
well, sorry, this isnt historical, its actually Science Fiction and fantasy, but if you enjoy historical comics, you would love this, one of our best gems. (actually another one of her work is even better, but couldnt find anywhere.) the buildings and clothings remind you of those of ancient days. the politics and beliefs shown in the story with complicated but convincing plots will give you lots of thoughts to ponder upon.
(if you like "easy-reading", you may not like it, its pretty confusing if you dont read it carefully.)
this artist is also famous for her work of mangalizing many Ray bradbury's short stories.

there is another great historic comic on T.E. Lawrence that made me learn about the conflicts in middle east and how europe messed it up, too bad it is pretty hard to find it anywhere on net.


*edit*
to parapheen on 1st page,
i could write a long essay on that, but i see you havent logged in for quite a while.
let me know if you still hang around on the forums to hear it ;)
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Tonkyhonk » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:06 pm

im afraid i killed this thread when i posted the above :p

"シュトヘル(悪霊)" by Ito, Yu ~probably R18+
not sure if the below link works for others.(it doesnt for me, all pics are blanks on my screen, thats all i could find.) but it may help you to find the same one from other sites.
http://www.mangareader.net/445/shuto-heru.html
(it is amazing to know someone actually managed to translate this work... he/she must have a great amount of knowledge in chinese and mongolian, both historical and linguistic, needless to say japanese and english to make it happen.)

The title is "Shuto heru" in japanese, possibly "shet-her" which is supposed to mean an evil spirit in ancient mongolian. ("чєтгєр" or "chet-ger" in modern mongolian, who knows, it could be some inner-mongolian dialect influenced by tibetan phoneme. the last "r" is the alveolar trill, or spanish rolling R, iirc.)

it takes place in ancient Xi Xia, or the Tangut empire(located in present china), probably the beginning of 13th century, and a little bit in present japan. it has everything you want...wars, murders, raids, sex, rapes, splatters, betrayals, hatred, love and friendship. oh, Shuto-heru herself is actually a zombie. a wolf cape and a tiger cape too!

Genghis (Khan) plans to burn all Tangut scripts for some reason, his unknown young son decides to pass them on to the future and travels down to southern part of china with his old Tangut guardian and Shuto-heru, a Tangut woman warrior who enjoys killing mongols horribly. a muslim trader dreams of a horrible death after his town was destroyed by the crusades, an european ex-nun decides Genghis is her Prester John and hopes he would destroy her country...

the first 2 volumes, i had hard time understanding where this was going, but still could feel all the energy overflowing from the artist. after reading 5th, i decided this to be one of my precious favorites.
for quick checking of what its like, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcvjokwgiFU
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Jackard » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:59 am

I think I read that one but it was hard keeping up with all the unfamiliar (historical?) chinese stuff
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby jordancoles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:00 am

The drawings are amazing in the first one, if it's a complete story I'll read them all soon
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby questionmark » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:27 am

i thought you meant these kind of comics
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Tonkyhonk » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Jackard wrote:I think I read that one but it was hard keeping up with all the unfamiliar (historical?) chinese stuff

ah, right, i cant blame you. it must be hard to learn all those names in alphabets, especially the pinyin system(chinese spelling with alphabets) made it all the more complicated too...
tbh i too had hard time understanding what was going on with the first few volumes because of the time-lines with the main chars time traveling, it took me a long while to actually get absorbed into the story.

you actually dont need much to know about the history(fiction included) except for some critical things and skip others.
if, in case, you have an opportunity to take a look at this again;
  • there were 3 dynasties in china back then, Xi Xia(Tangut), Jin, and Southern Song.
  • prior to this story, Jin had destroyed Northern Song and Khitan/Khitai. Song fled to the south and rebuilt as Southern Song, but Khitan was destroyed and all their books were burnt. Jin was tungus mongol now known as Manchu.
  • Xi Xia, aka Western Xia, was the dynasty of Tanguts, a tribe of Tibetan-Burman origin, now known as one of the chinese ethnic groups, Qiang people. Shuto-heru, boldo, Kharbar(tiger man)'s mother Ifa, Gurushan(the chief librarian) are Tanguts. they used to be strong cavalry and had earned independence from Song dynasty prior to this. they were very proud of their own culture and intelligence and prioritized burocracy, which weakened their army.
  • Tsog, probably fiction, a small nomad tribe, had resisted Genghis but lost and surrendered. Kharbar grew to contribute mongols and work for them, hoping Tsog could prosper again under Genghis.
  • nomads werent interested in burning books after raids like others were. Tanguts made these jade boards of Tangut inscription and marry Ifa to Tsog's chieftan(Kharbar's father) with them, so they would stay there or get robbed but traded as treasure to exist in the world forever. however, mongols started burning all tangut scripts and tsog submitted to mongols.
  • Southern Song was believed to keep all the records of those who lost wars. Han custom. Yurul is traveling to Chengtu.


jordancoles wrote:The drawings are amazing in the first one, if it's a complete story I'll read them all soon

6th volume has just recently been released, i dont think itll be complete anytime too soon.

questionmark wrote:i thought you meant these kind of comics

youre missing a lot if you dont read real comics :)
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby questionmark » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:28 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:
questionmark wrote:i thought you meant these kind of comics

youre missing a lot if you dont read real comics :)


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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Saxony4 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:31 pm

questionmark wrote:
if spiderman is wrong then i am fine with being an ignorant foreign devil



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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Jackard » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:06 am

nope, historical fiction only. so let's see, trying to remember some of the ones I've read since I started this thread... I should probably update the OP

Gunka no Baltzar is pretty cool so far
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=62170
http://www.mangareader.net/gunka-no-baltzar

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Lucumo wrote:Looks interesting, too bad those manga aren't completed yet. Dunno whether I should mention this one,Wolfsmund, because I've seen nothing of it so far.

http://www.goodmanga.net/wolfsmund/chapter/1

btw Wolfsmund is a trap, don't waste your time with it. the author likes killing his characters off with absurd contrivances and according to others it doesn't get any better later on.
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Re: Historical Comics

Postby Tonkyhonk » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:45 pm

Jackard wrote:Gunka no Baltzar is pretty cool so far.

Jackard wrote:btw Wolfsmund is a trap, don't waste your time with it. the author likes killing his characters off with absurd contrivances and according to others it doesn't get any better later on.

lol where do you guys all hear about these things? its so amazing :twisted:
btw, ive actually heard - no i havent read it myself - that it got better with the 3rd volume with swiss move, but still more deaths are coming and many may find it a bit too overwhelming.

looks like you have many more translated ones than i expected. so ill go ahead and list two more gems ;)

Tutankhamun is a story about Howard Carter, the archaeologist wellknown for discovering the tomb of Tutankhamun.
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=46782

T.E. Lawrence is, as the title says, about Lawrence of Arabia and the conflicts he experienced. i really hated europe after reading this ;)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=55708

there are some great historical comics on japan history, but they may be a bit tough if you arent interested in it.
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