Chick-Fil-A: Society Gone Full Retard

[Potjeh]

Way to miss the point. I'm saying that this golden age you're so nostalgic for never existed, as evidenced by the Civil War. Your view on it is about as accurate as describing the Middle Ages as the time when valiant knights rescued fair princesses.

As for prosperity of turn of the century America, yeah, I'm sure it was awesome for the rich, but not so much for the poor. The Jungle is a good description of the workers' conditions, and yeah, Teddy Roosevelt dismissed it as Marxist drivel too, until his people inspected the facts and found that it was actually all true. But yeah, free enterprise, it can only make thing better, amirite?

Also, take your condescending tone and shove it up your arse till your tonsils bleed.

[dagrimreefah]

Way to miss the point. I'm saying that this golden age you'+re so nostalgic for never existed, as evidenced by the Civil War.

The Civil War is evidence that central planning doesn't work. You have it backwards. That was MY point.

As for prosperity of turn of the century America, yeah, I'm sure it was awesome for the rich, but not so much for the poor.

So all of the inventions, all of the once scarce goods that were made affordable by free enterprise industrialization, that wasn't good for the poor? Being able to enjoy chocolate instead of it being something strictly for the rich, or being able to afford a car because of the innovation of the assembly line: those weren't good for the poor? Yes the times of prosperity were good for the rich. That is the incentive behind free enterprise: to get rich and live well (so evil!) But in the same token, they were also good for the poorer, since they were able to afford things they could only dream of affording before thanks to industrialization and free market competition, which has a natural tendency to drive the prices of all goods down. Wow, what a horrible thing!

The Jungle is a good description of the workers' conditions,

I've read that propaganda. Nice sob story for why we need more government. Seems anytime anyone ever wants to sell larger governemnt, they always need a sob story. Wonder why...

and yeah, Teddy Roosevelt dismissed it as Marxist drivel too, until his people inspected the facts and found that it was actually all true.

You are completely wrong. Please read more about one of America's worst presidents, Teddy Roosevelt. He was an adamant centralist and pushed for more executive power from day 1 in office.

But yeah, free enterprise, it can only make thing better, amirite?

You are right. Unless you prefer to have your hand held by your mighty overlords and be dictated to regarding every aspect of your life at the barrel end of a gun.

Also, take your condescending tone and shove it up your arse till your tonsils bleed.

Hey, I'm only coming back with the condescension:

ROFLMAO!!

[Potjeh]

Reading comprehension A+
Strawmanning A++
Screaming "Socialist!" at random A+++

You should get yourself a show at Fox News.

[dagrimreefah]

Reading comprehension A+
Strawmanning A++
Screaming "Socialist!" at random A+++

You should get yourself a show at Fox News.

Ad Hominem AAA+
Hypocritically strawmanning then accusing me of it AAA++
Screaming "Conservative Fox News Host!" AAA+++
You should join up at CNN

EDIT: Forgot to add "Narrowminded profiling of beliefs into News Channels: AAA++++

[Potjeh]

But seriously, this is how the conversation went:
- you lament about a Golden Age
- I point out that this Golden Age as you describe never actually existed
- you go on a tangent about me being the spawn of Stalin

[dagrimreefah]

But seriously, this is how the conversation went:
- you lament about a Golden Age
- I point out that this Golden Age as you describe never actually existed
- you go on a tangent about me being the spawn of Stalin

-I never lamented lol
-It did exist. Check your facts.
-Never went on a tangent about you being Stalin. I am merely answering your posts :s

[Potjeh]

So "Oh how awesome things were back in the good old days, unlike the shitty modern times" is not a lament?

It did not exist, because yeah, the government still got up in people's business (as your own CIvil War article says), and loads of people lived in abject poverty and terrible work conditions. Or do you think all those strikers were mad because they felt that they were being paid too much for shifts of mere 14 hours in a workplace with no safety measures?

[dagrimreefah]

So "Oh how awesome things were back in the good old days, unlike the shitty modern times" is not a lament?

I never said that. Jeez, just flat out put words in people's mouth why don't you.

It did not existed, because yeah, the government still got up in people's business (as your own CIvil War article says), and loads of people lived in abject poverty and terrible work conditions.

The government has always been up in people's business yeah. But there WAS a time where they weren't in it NEARLY as much as in other times of history (late 19th early 20th century was my key example period), and that era saw great prosperity. Or I guess you don't see traveling around by horseback to traveling by car or train, or the reduction of prices of ALL goods across the board an increase of living standards, do you? Yes poverty still existed, it always will exist. But compare it to the poverty of the settlers of this continent. Or the poverty of your average European serf of the times.

EDIT: By "all up in people's business", I mean taxation and regulatory intervention. The type of things that stifle capital formation and business growth.

Or do you think all those strikers were mad because they felt that they were being paid too much for shifts of mere 14 hours in a workplace with no safety measures?

They were free to leave those places and go find another job. The reason why they went on strike is because they were part of a union (also known as a labor cartel, i.e. a centralization of power). They were already in a collectivist mindset. They had that sense of self-entitlement that made them demand for better wages or better working conditions, when they could have just as easily voted with their feet. That is the same mindset children are in. A high time preference, collective mindset that makes them feel protected and warm inside. But it isn't sustainable. Ask any child what we should do about our economic crisis. They will say the same things as you do. "We should tax the rich!":
2nd Graders asked what should be done to improve economy
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Sounds good. But in the real, big, complex world, things just aren't black and white like that. Sorry.

You also seem to forget: People have the right to work, but they don't have a right to a job. Someone else has to provide the job. What about his rights?

[borka]

Sounds good. But in the real, big, complex world, things just aren't black and white like that. Sorry.

You also seem to forget: People have the right to work, but they don't have a right to a job. Someone else has to provide the job. What about his rights?

Sounds good. But in the real, big, complex world, things just aren't black and white like that. Sorry.

all you write is in a black+white context too...
But i think i got your point...do it..let's see what comes from it...

And i guess we should make the riches pay taxes by choice...guess it's the best way to show how antisocial most of them are...

[DDDsDD999]

At first I thought this was in the Dwarves and Thieves forum and Sarchi was recruiting for an anti-homosexual society and then it crumbled to ruins. And then I opened the thread.