Colo(u)rs & Cultures

[borka]

http://www.kremer-pigmente.com/en/produ ... ting=model


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[LadyV]

In my case both look red. However every graphics card and Human eye sees each color differently. Color terms are in actuality a loose consensus.

[Tonkyhonk]

@Dolby3d, Vesparian, thanks for your replies, though i dont know your tongue or nationality

http://www.kremer-pigmente.com/en/product/purpur-echt-36010.html

it doesnt work :/ says "file not found".

In my case both look red. However every graphics card and Human eye sees each color differently. Color terms are in actuality a loose consensus.

like i said, its about culture and background about the generalization. im not trying to look for the "correct" color names

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it may give more interesting results with scents
①trespass
②assault
③theft
④battery
⑤vandalism
⑥murder

scents left on the crime site and scents you took in inventory look pretty different in color though.

how i see them:
① light violet(blue-ish purple) in invent, white on site
② lime-green or yellow-green in invent, yellow on site
③ green (but in my own tongue, its yellow-green)
④ red or vermilion
⑤ yellow in invent, orange on site
⑥ purple

inspired by the irc convo earlier

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15:07 Tonky > i think nooby is right but im not sure
15:07 Tonky > its about the insta-death
15:08 Tonky > summoning with no hf
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > leaves assault
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > i bELIEVE
15:08 Tonky > oh?
15:08 ChildhoodObesity > its not a murder 100%
15:08 Tonky > but it still leaves scent for summoning?
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > yea im almost positive its assault
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > if not assault there isnt a scent
15:09 Tonky > hmm interesting
15:09 ramones > its that orange scent
15:09 ramones > whatever it is :)
15:09 Tonky > orange is vandal
15:09 ChildhoodObesity > lol
15:10 Tonky > assault is like lime-green or yellow
15:10 ramones > well, not orange as vandal, but more bright, so that leaves only assault
15:10 Tonky > you mean, battery?
15:10 ChildhoodObesity > theres no way its battery
15:10 ramones > oh right, thats battery, assaut is red?
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > no
15:11 Tonky > assault is yellow to green
15:11 ramones > well it was long since i killed my alt so i remember that (5 months ago)
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > the battery is red
15:11 Tonky > http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Smell_of_Assault
15:11 ChildhoodObesity > im FAIRLY positive its assault
15:11 ramones > it should be easy enough to make new alt and just kill it
15:11 ramones > ah you need scents :D

[GrapefruitV]

it may give more interesting results with scents
①trespass
②assault
③theft
④battery
⑤vandalism
⑥murder

(I don't really remember how all of this looks ingame, so I'll answer about this pictures mostly)

1. Blue-ish grey. Just grey on site.
2. Yellow-green.
3. Light emerald, maybe slightly more yellow, than usual emerald.
4. Pale red. I remember it being a lot darker on site with a bit of yellow shade, which makes it slightly orange-ish, but it is still red.
5. Orange, less bright orange in inventory.
6. Purple

[Vespasian]

1 Lilac blue
2 yellow/orange yellow/green
3 light lime green
4 light red
5 lemon yellow
6 light purple

American and its Vespasian And I speak a few languages but not fluently.

[Tonkyhonk]

4. Pale red. I remember it being a lot darker on site with a bit of yellow shade, which makes it slightly orange-ish, but it is still red.
5. Orange, less bright orange in inventory.

yeah, thats why i said vermilion. vandal looks really yellow in invent, but calling that yellow-portion "less bright" is rather interesting way of putting it to me as a non-color-expert

2 yellow/orange yellow/green
5 lemon yellow

ummmmm. 2, i really dont see orange or any red portion in it myself, and i see more orange in 5 than lemon yellow
lemon yellow is more like... lemon color, correct? maybe californian lemons are darker and closer to orange???


update on pink/purple, about what loftar said :3 i think this is pretty interesting. (deleted unrelated lines)

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20:41 loftar > Btw., Tonky; "To me the first picture of the cape looks red [...] I'm from Sweden so swedish is therefore my mother language. Most people I know would probably say the same colours as I did."
20:42 loftar > In that way, I actually agree with him. In Swedish, I'd definitely call the cape "red".
20:42 loftar > We generally call Roman capes "red" here, too.
20:42 Tonky > oh :o thats interesting
20:42 Tonky > so its about swedish language
20:43 ChildhoodObesity > http://i.imgur.com/CXNMp0e.png 4loftar
20:43 Tonky > xD
20:43 loftar > The "usual" translation for "purple" into Swedish is "lila", which is definitely something with a lot more blue in it.
20:43 Tonky > lilac flower?
20:43 Tonky > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syringa_vulgaris
20:43 Tonky > ^lilac
20:44 Kitamie > hey troll are you wearing a bandy mask in that? cause the mask looks redder
20:44 loftar > Ah, I hadn't thought about that, but right, there is a word "lilac" in English, yes. I guess that's where it comes from.
20:44 ChildhoodObesity > yea
20:44 loftar > Or, well, it's probably not via English, but you get what I mean. :)
20:44 Tonky > yeah all european languages are connected more or less
20:44 ChildhoodObesity > i think i have a banditmask red that is a bit darker than the original
20:45 ChildhoodObesity > res*
20:46 loftar > Oh. I didn't actually know that the flower was called "lilac" in English. That's interesting.
20:46 loftar > I would've assumed it was something similar to the Swedish name, which is "syren".
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20:49 Tonky > so in your defition
20:49 Tonky > purple is more blue
20:49 Tonky > or pale
20:49 loftar > Kinda like violet.
20:49 Tonky > right
20:50 Tonky > but yeah our original purple 紫 is dark blue-ish purple too
20:50 loftar > But, well, I know that's not the case in English.
20:51 Tonky > it all has a lot to do with either dye or maybe plant/flowers
20:51 loftar > On the other hand, it was interesting to note the Russian speaking about "пурпурный".
20:51 loftar > I don't know a whole lot of Cyrillic, but I'm well-versed enough in Greek to know the first part transliterates to "purpur". :)
20:51 Tonky > yeah, that grapefruits post
20:51 loftar > Which *is* a color name in Swedish, too, although it's rather archaic by now.
20:51 Tonky > purpurnui or something
20:52 loftar > But it probably corresponds closer to the English word "purple".
20:52 Tonky > and purple is from purpura
20:52 Tonky > latin
20:52 Tonky > a kind of shell to make dye with
20:52 loftar > And it *would* be quite reasonable to speak about Roman capes being "purpur", if one would be trying to be more precies.
20:52 loftar > precise*
20:52 Tonky > xD ah okay
20:52 loftar > Yes, indeed; it's clearly the same word.
20:53 Tonky > but loftar
20:53 Tonky > sorry for linking a japanese page but http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B2%9D%E7%B4%AB%E8%89%B2
20:53 Tonky > the color image there doesnt look like the color of your cape :(
20:54 Tonky > and the english linked page to tyrian purple looks more like
20:54 Tonky > brown-ish
20:54 loftar > I have to say I'd actually disagree that color swatch represents Tyrian purple, though. :)
20:55 Tonky > what about its english page? does that color shows the color you mean?
20:55 loftar > Though it is, of course, generally hard to get a consensus at all of how it should be represented in RGB.
20:55 loftar > Which, I guess, is very much because of the differences between monitors.
20:55 loftar > It's hardly even meaningful to try to represent a real color in RGB notation at all, in that way. ;)
20:55 Tonky > right
20:55 Tonky > xD
20:56 Tonky > but you know, having a pink cape and having a purple cape, they just sound so different :p
20:56 ChildhoodObesity > is there any explaining to why the cape is just called "Cape"
20:56 loftar > On my monitor, I'd say this is purple: http://www.curtainsandblinds4homes.co.uk/lg_images/Roman_Blind_Marylebone_Purple.jpg
20:56 Tonky > (our imperial purple is a lot darker blue-ish purple, btw)
20:56 loftar > But then again, I can't say how that looks for anyone else. :)
20:56 Tonky > i think loftar once called it "roman cape", troll
20:57 loftar > Probably simply because it was the first cape, ChildhoodObesity.
20:57 Tonky > oh yes, i see, loftar
20:57 ChildhoodObesity > cool
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21:08 Tonky > so how come that cape looks redder from one direction but looks pink or pale purple from another?
21:09 loftar > Does it? :)
21:09 Tonky > that screenshot by troll does look red-ish pink
21:09 Tonky > or cherry
21:09 Tonky > or scarlet
21:09 Tonky > 2nd pic
21:09 Tonky > looks paler and more shade of purple
21:09 loftar > Oh, you mean in the forum post?
21:10 Tonky > http://puu.sh/6PmR4.jpg
21:10 Tonky > this one
21:10 loftar > Those aren't just different "directions", though; the second one is dropped on the ground.
21:10 loftar > Indeed, that one.
21:10 Tonky > so you changed the color for the dropped item? :p
21:10 loftar > Eh, don't ask me. :)
21:10 loftar > That's Jorb's work. ^^
21:10 Tonky > looool
21:10 Tonky > that pink or purple looks the same as the color of the not-existing-any-more purse in salem
21:10 loftar > I think the worn one should be considered the authoritative color, though. :)
21:11 Tonky > ha ha
21:12 ChildhoodObesity > http://i.imgur.com/hFnBmcV.png
21:13 Tonky > thats using a mod, right?
21:13 loftar > ... ^^
21:13 ChildhoodObesity > i cant even tell if its pink or purple here
21:13 Tonky > it looks pink to me
21:13 ChildhoodObesity > lel the background is a res of course
21:13 Tonky > no, the cape
21:13 Tonky > and merch robe
21:13 Tonky > so cape is untouched by mod?
21:14 ChildhoodObesity > yea
21:14 Tonky > oh wait... loftar, do you call the merch robe "purple" too? instead of pink?
21:14 ChildhoodObesity > the cape isnt modded
21:14 ChildhoodObesity > i call the merch purple and the cape pink lol
21:14 Tonky > im too used to calling it pink in my community since w3 :/
21:15 loftar > Well, in Swedish, the Merchant's Robe is clearly lilac.
21:15 Tonky > so, purple
21:16 ChildhoodObesity > http://i.imgur.com/RVex0TH.png
21:16 ChildhoodObesity > 100% pink m8
21:16 Tonky > ;_; yeah it does look purple too, but i just am used to cal it pink <.<
21:16 Tonky > lol pinky pink in the equip window
21:16 Tonky > those boats look really rotten, troll
21:17 loftar > Well, I'll admit its item is pink. It's not like Jorb was being meticulously consistent when he did those different things. ^^
21:17 Tonky > xD
21:17 ChildhoodObesity > o
21:17 ChildhoodObesity > the boats are a mod 2 i think
21:17 Tonky > ok, jorb wanted it to be pink while you meant it to be purple
21:18 loftar > Well, if anything, I'd probably explain it as such;
21:19 loftar > We wanted it to be a Roman cape, and seeing as how they're "purple", Jorb may have started painting them "lilac" before we started researching what Roman purple actually looked like.
21:19 Tonky > i see
21:19 loftar > I can't say I remember how that process looked like, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jorb had painted the item first, and I then objected that that didn't look Roman purple to me, and we then researched it.
21:19 loftar > Don't take that as truth, though, because I really don't remember. :)
21:20 Tonky > lol are you going to fix the colors in hafen? ;)
21:20 loftar > Well, so far Jorb hasn't made a purple cape. :)
21:20 Tonky > ^^
21:20 ChildhoodObesity > wowow rip
21:20 loftar > He decided to make the first cape blue this time around. ^^

[Strandmullen]

All The Colours, Including Grue: How Languages See Colours Differently
by Tom Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtnD4j ... ES3KXFnwm0

I just watched this video about different colours and languages which I think relates to the discussion here.

[Jesus_Smith_Nandez]

I see the first cape as red, the second one as purple/pink either or. The starvation bar to me is beige/yellow, either or. Scents are as follows; Blue, Lime Green, Green, Red, Orange and Purple respectively.

I'm Canadian, and I live in a place where I have to speak both French and English.

[Tonkyhonk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtnD4jmCDQ&list=PL96C35uN7xGLDEnHuhD7CTZES3KXFnwm0

sorry, but i decided not to click a youtube link without a description/explanation/context unless the poster is someone i know well that i can guess what itll be.

I see the first cape as red, the second one as purple/pink either or. The starvation bar to me is beige/yellow, either or. Scents are as follows; Blue, Lime Green, Green, Red, Orange and Purple respectively.

I'm Canadian, and I live in a place where I have to speak both French and English.

thanks! glad to hear that it wasnt only the old people who would call beige "yellow"

[Strandmullen]

sorry, but i decided not to click a youtube link without a description/explanation/context unless the poster is someone i know well that i can guess what itll be.

I'm sorry, I edited my post and if you don't want to click the link you can google it or search it on youtube.