Feminism

[NOOBY93]

You don't want to do away with all the differences in treatment of men and women. The taboo on physical violence, for example. If it was normal to hit a woman for the same reasons you'd hit a man, there'd be a lot of women hospitalized for blunt trauma.

I think the only reason to hit a man is if he hits you first. If a woman hits you first, same rules apply. It should also be completely illegal and punishable to hit anyone. No 'talk shit,get hit'. Someone cuts you in a line? Move him back without violence or as Grape said, the server will not serve the guy until he has served people who don't cut in line. Everything has a solution without hitting involved, until you actually get hit, then simply hit back.

[Chakravanti]

Someone cuts you in a line? Move him back without violence...

You mean "push"? Is that like technically not violence or something?

You don't fight.

You've already told them their behaviour is unacceptable. Does one really need elaborate "or else"? Sure, I can go up to the guy and push him out of line or some shit. Doing that, though exposes oneself. Why the fuck should I do that? I might do it if it were a friend or someone I at least had some kind of background weight on the character of. I don't know that if I put hands on this guy, he isn't gonna snap and punch me. Sure, I could block or dodge but I'm still at a disadvantage. I don't see why I should be under any sort of obligation to weaken myself and my position out of chivalry towards some dude who is clearly showing a complete lack of respect for anyone but himself. I have no assurances he will not be violent and every reason to suspect he will. He has shown disregard for that civilized method of self-correction for the incidentally inattentive and otherwise unassuming folk.

Should I count to three as well?

[Sarge]

Holy fuck... sup Chak?

[GrapefruitV]

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And what if he is stronger or armed? You are allowed to pussy out, if this doesnt come to "weaken yourself"? Will world become a better place if he stings you with a knife or shoot somebody around? Will it teach him a lesson of not being a faggot? What if you end up killed or crippled or just beaten? What if this shit will come to a serious fight and you accidentally kill him? Why give all those "what ifs" a chance, when you can solve such meaningless shit by a small talk or just ignore the bastard?

[ValerieHallaway]

Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
And I think Potjeh has a point about assholes being more of a problem if no one deals with them.
California is big on ignoring problems, and it's shit because of it.

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By the way Eemerald, you missed the point of my setting up that post. If a town with 2000 children has one school that can hold 1000, you don't just 'magic' that other 1000 into an education.
When a girl goes to school in Turkey, a boy is left out of that program. That's just math.

Feminists don't want to be equal. Being a man sucks, and most women wouldn't be able to shoulder it. No, feminists want to be better than men.
That is, this is the case in America.
People get raises when they ask for it and deserve it. Women don't ask most of the time, they hint and they bitch, but men ask outright. You shouldn't bitch if you never try imo.
Feminists want women to get more money because of their downstairs mixup.
When men were first given the vote it was because they first had to sign up for the draft- they bought the right with blood. Women did do an ignominous amount of fighting for it, but only after black men got the vote before them, which implied that they were in some ways better than white women. Now decades later, we fight for social justice- but where is our names on the draft, Eemerald?
Why is it that it's not sexism if it's a man being bullied, and then also, why is it not racism if it's a white person being bullied?
Femenists have never stood for equality, if you really do, you aren't a feminist, you're a human capable of empathy. Implications implied.

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On the response to Sweden; I wasn't aware of the laws in Russia and how it's seen socially, and neither does my sources for information apparently. The point though, is that not too long ago Sweden had some of the best overall percentage rates globally, and now it's has one of the worst percentage rates for rape out of the population.

[borka]

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By the way Eemerald, you missed the point of my setting up that post. If a town with 2000 children has one school that can hold 1000, you don;t just 'magic' that other 1000 into an education.
When a girl goes to school in Turkey, a boy is left out of that program. That's just math.
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-snip- and now it's has one of the worst percentage rates for rape out of the population.

Feminism means education for everyone ... (Turkey boy/girl example - it's not math but politics...)

You're aware that rates are coming from more rapes are going to be reported to the police then in other countries. Which on the other hand points to the fact that more women in sweden think their issue is handled well. While women in other countries don't think so ...

[ValerieHallaway]

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By the way Eemerald, you missed the point of my setting up that post. If a town with 2000 children has one school that can hold 1000, you don;t just 'magic' that other 1000 into an education.
When a girl goes to school in Turkey, a boy is left out of that program. That's just math.
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-snip- and now it's has one of the worst percentage rates for rape out of the population.

Feminism means education for everyone ... (Turkey boy/girl example - it's not math but politics...)

You're aware that rates are coming from more rapes are going to be reported to the police then in other countries. Which on the other hand points to the fact that more women in sweden think their issue is handled well. While women in other countries don't think so ...

I took a look into it.. and I realize there's a bigger picture as to why the rate of rape cases has gone up. In Sweden, by law, special attention, in the case of aid, will be given to /female/(specifically) victims of sexual assault. Also, regardless of biology, if a married woman has a child, the husband is it's father. She could have been raped and kept the child or have cheated, and it would still be considered her husband's child. Furthermore, she can decide not to allow her husband the right to be the child's gaurdian or have any legal rights at all if she so sees fit.
I know quite a few people who would take full advantage of this if they could.

About the education aspect- I'm sure feminism has a part to play in getting both genders into schools, but I've been looking at it from another perspective.
Call me on bullshit with this part all you'd like, it's more speculation than anything, anyways.
If I were an emperor of a country and I was looking to advance to the next stage of civilization to contend globally, and take over the world, I would be looking to advance all of the people in my rule.
If my tools are dull, the work is harder, so if you sharpen them with training and skills the work becomes easier. I would do what it took to make all of my tools sharp, not just the half of them that I like more.
Girls being taught alongside boys would satisfy more than one need- they need to socialize first before marriages/birth rates can go up, the more tools I have, the better my chances of success.
So a country intent on taking over the world would welcome girls in schools, but I would put on airs that I don't want it to happen to keep my constituents in the religious organizations happy.

[Vespasian]

I believe in equality until the point where it is no longer applicable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism Feminism in the western world I see as bad because the problems it seeks to address have largely been legally changed. Society will catch up. Certainly some cultures still are unequal and in an old mindset. But feminism in the western world is simply unnecessary.

[Strandmullen]

In Sweden, women have won.
They have all the best positions in legislation, and the men still in power are all eagerly going along with them to remain in power. Decency laws are in place that make a man pee sitting down. Any school in the country can ban gender pronouns and self identifying words. There is no 'girl' and 'boy' if they see fit. To refer to someone, you say 'friend' or 'they' instead of 'he/she'.
In advertisements you can often see confused looking boys in hero costumes playing with dolls, or at a pink tea set playing with makeup. Girls in pink princess dresses ride ATVs and are playing with tonka sets.
There's been an upsurge in sexual assaults and rapes-- not from Swedish men, from the muslim immigrants that have kind of taken over the streets and are raising as much hell as they want to since no one is stopping them.

There are a bunch of Feminist blogs that are taking about that first part and how it's a victory for womyn everywhere. I'm just like, yeah, sure thing -- you have fun with your 'victory dance' in an alley.

Shit's crazy over there man. Saw a vid on Live leak where a guy walks down the street and gets punked by like, 6 muslim dudes that come out of nowhere and beat the everloving crap out of him.

Most of what you're saying here is very inaccurate. You're saying "women have won " but I have no idea of what you're basing this on.
As a Swede my picture is that Sweden is one of the more equal contries in the world, but it is not equal. Women haven't got as much power as men.

Here are just a few examples from Sweden to show why it is not an equal country.
Sweden has never had a female leader for the country (Like a prime minister called "statsminister").
In the parliament 45 % are women (This is the highest it's ever been in Sweden).
Women have in average 17 % lower salaries than men have.
(Numbers from "Statistiska Centralbyrån" translated into "Central Bureau of Statistics" with official and accurate statistics.)

You are talking about laws making men pee sitting down. That is just ridiculous. There is no such thing and I would love to know where you've heard it.

I also don't see your point with the advertisements. I see no reason at all why kids have to play with different toys depending on their gender.

I believe in equality until the point where it is no longer applicable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism Feminism in the western world I see as bad because the problems it seeks to address have largely been legally changed. Society will catch up. Certainly some cultures still are unequal and in an old mindset. But feminism in the western world is simply unnecessary.

Saying feminism is unnecessary is like saying democracy is unnecessary. It's about everyone's equal rights and if you don't think that's important, well then you don't think democracy is important.

[Vespasian]

Define "democracy"