Pronounciation of Hearth (who has been saying it wrong?)

[Jackard]

oh and i thought americans love saying "da" for "the" and "dat" for "that" anyways? like many rap songs? thanks, jackard!

just more accents and/or laziness

[Tonkyhonk]

oh and i thought americans love saying "da" for "the" and "dat" for "that" anyways? like many rap songs? thanks, jackard!

just more accents and/or laziness

i guess, but that was meant to be an edited reply to Raffeh who didnt understand why th could turn into d when americans do it themselves. not sure if brits or aus/nz do it, though.

I've the reversed problem. I don't get what's the difference between hearth pronunciation and heart XD

just in case you mean it seriously, "th" is supposed to be pronounced as [θ] or [ð], although there are exceptions to be pronounced as [t] as in "Thames" and "Thailand".

[Raffeh]

oh and i thought americans love saying "da" for "the" and "dat" for "that" anyways? like many rap songs? thanks, jackard!

just more accents and/or laziness

i guess, but that was meant to be an edited reply to Raffeh who didnt understand why th could turn into d when americans do it themselves. not sure if brits or aus/nz do it, though.

Yes, I actually see that now, I was using the wrong examples. In the UK I think majority of people will use the T's, although as noted above Laziness is a large cause of shortening words. UK have also got a lot of accents so would differ from place to place. (I'm from London)

I could use "da" and "dat" for text language as its quicker. I do admit that I can be lazy and say 'Tha' insted of 'That'

Also "this" can be pronounced "dis"

some words I feel could not use the change to d though:

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[NOOBY93]

Yes, I actually see that now, I was using the wrong examples. In the UK I think majority of people will use the T's, although as noted above Laziness is a large cause of shortening words. UK have also got a lot of accents so would differ from place to place. (I'm from London)

I could use "da" and "dat" for text language as its quicker. I do admit that I can be lazy and say 'Tha' insted of 'That'

Also "this" can be pronounced "dis"

some words I feel could not use the change to d though:

Through
Thoughtful
Thumb
Thanks
Three
Think

I've always been saying the last three as "tumb", "tanks" and "tink". I can, and know how to say it correctly, but in my language it doesn't go very fluently, so I can't bother to say th.

[Raffeh]

Haha, I'm starting to think this post needs a voice Skype session!

Very interested in how you would pronounce that and how people perceive the words you are saying.

To tinker is to repair, change or improve something. Would you say 'Tinker' in the same way as 'Thinker' and how would you tell the difference? Would you pronounce differently if you was trying to compare the two words?

If you would this again would fall to laziness or accents. Not the fact your language prohibits the use of these words correctly but because it fits with your language much more fluently.

[Tonkyhonk]

I've always been saying the last three as "tumb", "tanks" and "tink". I can, and know how to say it correctly, but in my language it doesn't go very fluently, so I can't bother to say th.

ahh, there you go. we use "s" for those. "sumb" (more like sam), "sanks/sunks" and "sink" or often "shink".

Very interested in how you would pronounce that and how people perceive the words you are saying.

To tinker is to repair, change or improve something. Would you say 'Tinker' in the same way as 'Thinker' and how would you tell the difference? Would you pronounce differently if you was trying to compare the two words?

If you would this again would fall to laziness or accents. Not the fact your language prohibits the use of these words correctly but because it fits with your language much more fluently.

never studied foreign languages before? its not prohibition, but intervention. never laziness for non-natives.
you might think you could pronounce or hear every sound, but english speakers do have their own accents and habits too.
for example, most english speakers cannot pronounce "engagement" in japanese properly and say "konjac" instead, or cant say "hospital" and say "beauty salon" instead. many koreans and chinese cannot say "south korea" in japanese and say "jail" instead. most of you know that many japanese men vote in an "erection" instead of "election". its not about comparing them, but its about not being able to see/hear the difference (or not until you get very used to it.)

you could actually learn scientifically or with excellent ears how to pronounce certain sounds that dont exist in your mother tongue, but you cannot easily produce unfamiliar sounds as you speak or fast enough as natives can, just like you cannot always run or swim as fast as olympic athletes can. you also often make errors without intention. it takes practices and certain skills along with knowledge for pronouncing, and for hearing it takes some training before you get too old.

[Aluraine]

I already knew it was pronounced like "Harth". >.< Wow go peoples

[borka]

@Tonky
konyakku (Cognac)

In Germany it was a common (bad) joke in the 1970ties that Asians (Chinese) can't pronounce the "r" and always use "l" instead - there had been even few Kung_Fu movies synchronized that way.

Also i guess the use of "d" in anglo languages mainly comes from da african people in dat countries, you can also see how Jamaican Patois had an influence on the language of black communities in the USA.

[Flame]

I dunno about the african theory. The difference between the latin T and the english Th is that th is waaay softer. Sounds very similar to D, for any latin people.

So it's probably our fault. TH is a D with the tongue between thoots, so a softer D.
Blame the europe! XD

[GrapefruitV]

I've been pronouncing it heart for like 2 years then "realized" it's wrong and started pronouncing it hurt, until now. Back to heart it is.

Pretty much same story here.

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Most russians use f for those (except thumb, it's more like t), some use s. "Th" is probably the hardest thing in english to pronounce correct for russians and slavs in general. Even ones with really good english often pronounce th wrong. It can sound like t, s, z, f and d. There are simply no sounds with the same tongue position in russian language (and I believe in all slavic languages, but I barely know a few) and it's kind of hard to undertand when someone is trying to explain to you how to use your tongue, but after you get the right position it's not an issue anymore, your th can sound alright.