2012?

[Potjeh]

I didn't catch the reference. I need to brush up on my Scientology or I'll never do telekinesis

[niltrias]

I doubt anyone did. Ah, Bob, they have forsaken you.

[kratier]

this dumbass writes "tl;dr" then proceeds to write 4 page essay on the topic in this thread

[niltrias]

Actually though, the Mayan calendar (or, less popularly, the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar) doesn't resemble ours at all (except in such inescapable ways that it is based on astronomical events), and it does, in fact, not end in 2012. It's just one of its subdivisions that end then, and it seems it's just a crass misinterpretation that has led people to think that it ends then. Just FYI.

Actually, loftar, you have peaked my curiosity. I thought that the Long Cycle that ends in 2012 was the largest division of the Mayan calendar, not a subset. Obviously, since it is composed of smaller cycles, the end of the Long Cycle has no more significance than Saturday or Dec. 31. AFAIK, tho, the 2012 date does denote the end of the historical Mayan calendar, in much the same way that Dec 31 ends any of our wall calendars.

[Chakravanti]

I am amazed by the factuality of your statistics. Also, Loldaeniken. Might as well invoke L. Ron Hubbard.

Everyone know that life on Earth will end when a robot comes up with the 0th law of robotics and irradiates the planet because it's in humanity's best interest.

I'm not telling people what to believe. Or for that matter, what not to believe. I am however, asserting how ridiculous it is to assert that you KNOW some shit you cannot prove either way.

Aliens genetically engineering humans as a means of survival is just as plausible a scenario as independent evolution.

In truth, my numbers are based on unknowns. The probability of randomly waking as a conscious child at X age int eh universe depends date Y that the first species become capable of interstellar and or intergalactic reproduction. Then, the time Z it takes them to move from one planet fucking to the next. (X-Y)/Z is the number of artificial civilizations they created. Contrast said number against some extrapolation of drakes equation that shows the odds there being a given number of life at our level of evolution.

Thing is, regardless of scenario we're all just a little egotistical. If we are the product of another species then we're being just a bit egotistical to lie to ourselves about it. If we aren't then we're not investing nearly enough energy into surviving as a species ourselves.

No, we're more concerned with the morals of an invisible man on the right to alter through direct or selective means the quality of our genetic code. We're within design status of real immortality. It's not science fiction. Our problem is real estate and the sad fact is that someone has to choose who has to die and who gets to live indefinitely.

SCience Fiction won't be fiction very much longer.

[Potjeh]

Earth being 6000 year old and fossils being placed by God to confuse us is also just as plausible, if we're going to give pure conjecture same weight as we give to fossil record.

Also, you're starting to sound like timecube by the end of that post, bro.

[Chakravanti]

Sure, this might be a matrix as well. What's your point? Again, I'm not saying I know what's going on. I'll give consideration to a lot of theories and ideas but the most logical and evinced explanation for christian church dogma is as a conspiracy of obfuscation to attain political and mental control over a people so scared of their inevitable death they're gullible enough to believe some fantasy. Worked for L Ron Hubbard and he didn't even use the traditional astrological occult references.

Again, I'm not telling anyone what to believe. I am saying that one needs to careful analyze what one is told to believe. I've got my own ideas and theories. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I believe them despite how much probability I may or may not ascribe to their actuality. I'm crazy, not stupid.

[niltrias]

Sure, this might be a matrix as well. What's your point? Again, I'm not saying I know what's going on. I'll give consideration to a lot of theories and ideas but the most logical and evinced explanation for [insert religion here] dogma is as a conspiracy of obfuscation to attain political and mental control over a people so scared of their inevitable death they're gullible enough to believe some fantasy.

yes.

[Chakravanti]

heh, quite true. xtian church isn't the only culprit of intentially causing mass delusion and obfuscation of history for political power.

[niltrias]

Yeah, religion is fine. It is the purveyors and profiteers of religion that bother me. One of my favorite quotes.

"All religious conflicts boil down to the loss of human life because two neighboring communities cannot peaceably settle which has the better invisible friend."