Norway attacked

[SaintGilbert]

Its a great camp, the kids look forward to it all year, some news medias *(foreign) made it seems like indoctrinaton and what not, but its more like band camp, BAND CAMP!!!! they come together to share their common politial views, to meet firends from all over the country to sing and laugh and grow, to meet their rolemodels, their leaders, these people the believe in and share a world view with, that they help get ellected. To sit around a campfire and sing combaja and roast marshmellows and be kids.

band camp, they where just kids at band camp...

There is such a thing as subtle indoctrination. Mention a person or a word in a certain light enough times, and you can influence people to make them see things a certain way.

I imagine that is why most politicians spend time mudlslinging their opponents while championing themselves. I'm not saying it was done that obviously at that camp, but... some things are very biased, and some are only slightly. Nothing involving human opinion is unbiased. Not even band camp.

All the same, he was wrong in what he did. Very wrong.

[MagicManICT]

There is such a thing as subtle indoctrination. Mention a person or a word in a certain light enough times, and you can influence people to make them see things a certain way.

Or certain images.... There was a comment by Bill Maher on this weeks show about the Rupert Murdoch case in the UK. The comment was about how Murdoch for years would put 'populist' inflamatory speech in his tabloids and right next to it would be a picture (some ad) of boobs. (edited for clarity)

I don't think most normal people can really understand where psychotic individuals come from. The thoughts that it requires is too foreign or too frightening. I've been around those kinds of people. It's... terrifying. I can't think of anything else to describe it. I can understand the path someone like this took, and it scares me witless just to think that I could have gone that way had just one small thing here or a small thing there in my life been a bit different.

I'm not a very religious person, but I do have my beliefs (and I believe that this forum isn't one of those places to discuss them, so I won't). Every time I hear of these sorts of things, I say a little prayer. Not because of any particular belief, but I feel I am at least sending emotional support at least indirectly, be it through words typed here, thoughts sent out (if you believe in sixth sense stuff), or whatever.

Here's my whatever you want to call it for those of you that have been touched by this directly or indirectly.

[rozn]

my heartfelt sympathies go out to all of those killed or afflicted by this whole mess =(

[SaintGilbert]

Or certain images.... There was a comment by Bill Maher on this weeks show about the Rupert Murdoch case in the UK. For years he'd put 'populist' inflamatory speech in his tabloids and right next to it would be a picture (some ad) of boobs.

I don't think most normal people can really understand where psychotic individuals come from. The thoughts that it requires is too foreign or too frightening. I've been around those kinds of people. It's... terrifying. I can't think of anything else to describe it. I can understand the path someone like this took, and it scares me witless just to think that I could have gone that way had just one small thing here or a small thing there in my life been a bit different.

So you're not the only one who thinks public displays of boobs are detrimental to society?

I don't know that I've ever met a psychopath before. Who knows. Maybe I am one. But little things can surely turn into big ones. Why do you think Jesus said even looking upon a woman lustfully is adultery? Or that hatred of a fellow man is murder? Little "feelings" can turn into disasters if people dwell on them.

[Maulkin]

Latest update, he has admitted to commiting the act, but not guilt. He has said it was a grusom act but it had to be commited... To change the political reality in this country.

I hope they never give this guy a pulpit, its what he want... he wrote a 1600 page manifest, its the most insane piece of reading i have ever seen

[Potjeh]

God dammit, what happened to assassinating archdukes.

[SaintGilbert]

Latest update, he has admitted to commiting the act, but not guilt. He has said it was a grusom act but it had to be commited... To change the political reality in this country.

I hope they never give this guy a pulpit, its what he want... he wrote a 1600 page manifest, its the most insane piece of reading i have ever seen

There are insane people on all sides.
He'll be found guilty - and rightly so. But I fear it will not be the deed he will be found worthy of punishment for, but the reason behind it. Oh, they'll charge him with murder. But they will think him abominable for doing so because he defied their standards of right. He decided he didn't want any more liberal politicians, and the courts and half of parliament (Norway is a parliamentary democracy, no?) would have hated him for that whether he chose to protest the camp or whether he shot the campers.

Wrong as his actions were, and abominable as they were, I can't help but wonder if his intentions were so bad. In a different mental state, he might have made a fine educator, or an influential cleric, or even a popular demonstrator.

[Sitting_Bill]

my heartfelt sympathies go out to all of those killed or afflicted by this whole mess =(

Wrong as his actions were, and abominable as they were, I can't help but wonder if his intentions were so bad. In a different mental state, he might have made a fine educator, or an influential cleric, or even a popular demonstrator.

i thought you guys didn't like moral relativism. His "intention" was clearly to kill, and yes, that is "so bad".

[SaintGilbert]

[i] thought you guys didn't like moral relativism. His "intention" was clearly to kill, and yes, that is "so bad".

No; his intention was to stop the country from going in the direction of the liberal left, an admirable desire in most cases, I think. Progressivism is a pathway to Hell.

The problem is he thinks the end justifies the means, and therefore he was right to murder innocence in the name of stopping insane progressivism. Ironically, that line of thinking is not only very liberal thinking, it is very Satanic thinking. In other words, the exact opposite of what he was fighting for. Very wrong.

But I guess he didn't think it through, and still hasn't.

And I'll make a note here, I am not a conservative. The antithesis to liberalism is not conservatism, and vice versa. As GK Chesterton, wise man he was, once said, "The business of Progressives [liberals] is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." The antithesis to both of these is something the western world has forgotten about and needs to rediscover. I dunno if this man was trying to remind us of that thing; all I am sure of is that he opposed liberalism.

[Potjeh]

For en core, justify Hitler please.