Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

[Potjeh]

So what you are telling me is that these people still are a threat to others when they are locked up tightly in a prison cell for the rest of their lives?

People escape from prison all the time. Nobody escapes from grave.

[Chakravanti]

Burgingham is right. Not surprising as he's actually educated in polsci. Ghaddafi, Hitler, etc. It is extremely important to give these peopkle fair trials. For what then may we say to their 'freed' people about what democracy is. It is certainly more than voting between a douchebag and a turd sandwich. It is that no one may be judged without a consensus of people who have been allocated to the task of re3viewing all available evidence and to write an established logical principle for the verdict that includes references to the evidence in a readable chain that anyone else may review and confirm for themselves that such was the case.

Assasination + Internet = Conspiracy Theories that will never fucking die. Enjoy your caek.

[Potjeh]

When these people do get tried it invariably turns out to be a kangaroo court. IMO summary execution is the lesser evil, kangaroo courts can set some dangerous precedents for normal civilian courts.

[burgingham]

Your statement about prisons is just plain wrong and you know that.

Also, I am not sure if it really is common practice for these things to turn into kangaroo courts or if that isn't just the publics perception. Still that is no reason to abandon the idea of a fair trial just because the fair trial does not exist under current circumstances. Then it is time to change the system of trials too. I was talking about norms here. I am more than willing to include courts and their general practice into my idea of what a normative status which is considered desirable should look like.

I actually doubt about that statement overall though judging by my memories of courts concerning war criminals in the Yugoslawia conflict. You should know better about these than me though.

[Potjeh]

The trials of Yugoslavian war criminals are a fucking joke.

Anyway, my point is that if he was tried the only possible ruling would be guilty by all charges. Anything less than that would destroy the transnational government and plunged the country into complete anarchy for a loooong time. And IMO any trial where the ruling is known beforehand is not a fair trial.

[Chakravanti]

Right, because violating years of international war treaties is a lesser evil than taking a year or two to ensure that clarity and truth are written to the books by adhering to the centuries of practice of public review that created the Golden Age. Saddam Hussein's trial wasn't a 'kangaroo court' so what's the precedent?

Like 9/11 was a troll to get America to spend its budget on ANYTHING other than putting missiles in space this has caused the US to lose a huge chunk of moral high ground over some desert dwelling nutrient deficient brains surviving purely on adherance to Dogmatic laws.

Of course, you don't need moral anything when you have missiles in fucking space.

As for people escaping from prisons. There is a reason we marvel at the FEW who manage to achieve it by making movies and writing books and then rewriting more exciting and fictionalized movies until it's so ridiculous that someone else writes as historically accurate an account as possible just so we can tell the difference and realize that in the same situation, we would NOT be able to do the same shit. If you're reading this, and you're not an ECHELON controller, you can't refute that shit.

Why wouldn't it be a 'fair trial'? If the ruling is known beforehand then it is because they have a clear chain of evidence. Anything less than that is asking for it. The real question is what will Alex Jones come up with?

[spectacle]

The trials of Yugoslavian war criminals are a fucking joke.

In what way? I'm curious about what you mean.

[Potjeh]

Well not so much escape on their own as get broken out by sympathizers.

As for Hague, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Crim ... #Criticism

[Avu]

Not getting into the entire democracy and human rights thingie since I cannot be bothered with but does anyone expect a different result for these kind of trials? I mean it's obvious they end up with life in prison sentences. No group of judges will go oh our bad hitler was actually right now that we seen all the facts we must agree that he was a force for good he should be reinstated now. If we want to be honest with ourselves the trial already happened when people fought those guys be it victors in a war or rebelling citizens. What we get is just a sham a puppet show with the ending already known by everyone. I mean you could imagine a world where these people would actually get fair trials (even further imagining that some might actually be somewhat innocent) what group of judges would risk angering the masses that you know where either fed propaganda of how bad that other dude really is or the rebels who took up arms to get their presumed dictator down. So in the end what are these trials? At best a homage to the people that suffered but it's by no means justice being done.

[Potjeh]

Yup, my point exactly. And the danger of holding show trials is that some of their aspects may spill over into regular trials.