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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Potjeh » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:31 pm

That's for highly educated workers, though. My problem is that I don't really have any useful degree. I finished gymnasium, which is just a good preparation for Uni and not useful at all on it's own. I then enrolled in CompSci, where I stupidly focused on things that were interesting to me and neglected others, so I wound up flunking out due to failing maths and physics even though I was best in class in programming. Went back home, worked with Dad in construction on and off, interspersed with odd jobs, namely data entry in the town hall for birth and death records, computer store (mostly did assembly and repairs) and wireless internet maintenance. Enrolled in a business school just to get out of working with Dad. My heart wasn't really in it, but I made it to 4 exams left till Bachelors when I got my current job and put it on hold because I don't really see me getting much use out of a business degree (way too many people with those).

For the last two years I've been working as a postman in a small office up in the mountains (running the office on my own 8-12, delivering mail 12-15). This is only temping, though, as I'm replacing a woman who's on birth leave (got to work this long because she came back from the original birth leave 6 months pregnant). I've got 8 months left of this gig, and then I'm out of work again and finding a job here is really hard. But it's not just the lack of stability, even if I could stay on this job for good I wouldn't want to because the work conditions kinda suck. The company doesn't adjust for actual conditions on the field, so I get the same 49ccm scooter and 40l gas/month working on steep unpaved roads as the postmen working in towns on flat asphalt (not to mention I got more kilometres to cover). Anyhow, delivering with the scooter is highly impractical because I have to ride it in first gear almost everywhere and there's a lot of hills it simply can't climb with my 90kg on it. So I have to deliver with my car, which eats up a lot of gas and maintenance money. It was only profitable for the woman I'm replacing because her husband works as a cop on the same mountain so he did the deliveries for her when he went on patrol in the police cruiser.

Long story short, I don't really have sufficient formal education to get into EU countries with the moratorium on Croatian labour, or into Canada or USA. My only options for those would be marriage or getting employment there before applying for a work visa. AFAIK there isn't much of a market for mail-order husband (if anyone here is interested, though, I'm all ears ;) ), and for the latter the employer must also prove he searched for workers locally first and couldn't find any, which is too much hassle for any normal businessman to go through for some random unskilled guy from Bosnia. So yeah, my best bet is finding a job in Sweden or some other EU country without the moratorium. Ireland is one of those, and it'd be a nice destination due to lack of a language barrier, but AFAIK their economy kinda sucks right now. And yeah, I gotta find a job before I make the move, I couldn't live long enough on my limited budget if I moved first and looked for a job then. I suppose I'm mainly just networking here on the off chance that someone can connect me to an employer that would take me.
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Vouss » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:39 pm

Potjeh wrote:Long story short, I don't really have sufficient formal education to get into EU countries with the moratorium on Croatian labour, or into Canada or USA. My only options for those would be marriage or getting employment there before applying for a work visa. AFAIK there isn't much of a market for mail-order husband (if anyone here is interested, though, I'm all ears ;) )


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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby btaylor » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:46 pm

Vouss wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Long story short, I don't really have sufficient formal education to get into EU countries with the moratorium on Croatian labour, or into Canada or USA. My only options for those would be marriage or getting employment there before applying for a work visa. AFAIK there isn't much of a market for mail-order husband (if anyone here is interested, though, I'm all ears ;) )


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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Tonkyhonk » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:40 am

Potjeh wrote:My heart wasn't really in it, but I made it to 4 exams left till Bachelors when I got my current job and put it on hold because I don't really see me getting much use out of a business degree (way too many people with those).

its like taking no receipt after shopping when you could get tax cut, potjeh.
you spent enough time (only 4 exams left, right?) and you want to ruin your time and efforts you spent?!
id recommend to finish school if you can, to get your lame degree whatsoever anyways, you will never know when it comes handy.

im not saying a degree is important, just saying throwing away your time that you spent long for nothing is lame.
(dont know how it works in eu, but its far much easier here to get a job when you have a degree. ofc, a degree is not gonna give you a job for just having one, but it gives you chances of jobs as the least requirement.)
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby borka » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:57 am

yep any degree is better than none... only paper (degree documents) tells who you are (and what's your worth) in this world... no papers no worth ...
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:49 am

I'm with Tonky on this. I know a Bachelors of Business Arts is a lot of crap in some ways, but it does open up a lot of options for you where you might have to put in 5 or 10 years in an industry otherwise, and that's just on the management side of things. If you go economics, accounting, or another field, you can't hardly get in without a degree. Still might need to work a year or two as a janitor, intern, or in the mail room before a real position opens up, but at least you'll be ready when it does.

I went to a private tech college that didn't offer even an associates degree. Nice thing about it was I didn't have to pass an English class to get my diploma. Downside is that there's several companies that hire, but I've had some problems in my past and they won't look at me. The ones that think I know what I'm doing (people I've met locally or online that run programming shops) won't touch me because I don't have at least an associates. (I did about have a job with IBM as a Java programmer, but
blew the second interview.)

Not sure how good you are with the programming, but there's a huge volume of contract work out there through various websites. However, most do check some references or schools, and thus I still have a problem getting work that way.

(To note, it's not because I can't grasp English. I'm too obsessive over my grades and can't pass with at least a B. I had a strong C my very first semester of college, but had a major bout of depression and didn't finish the semester. Haven't been able to get my shit together since.)
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby painhertz » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:50 am

I'm telling you dude just find an American women online and woo her into bringing you over and marrying you. I guarentee it's a ton easier than you might think. As for work, I own my own computer repair business and from what you say you've done you have more experience than I did when I started. You just work out of wherever you're living. make some flyers to throw up around whatever town you're in and advertise on Facebook on the various "buy/sell/trade" FB groups. i'm about to fix 2 machines, will take me an hour tops and I bring them back tommorrow for $100.00, that's easier money than bartending....

Edit: and of course if you find a women you'll have putty putty from the moment you step off the plane. :P
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Seizure » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:00 am

painhertz wrote:I'm telling you dude just find an American women online and woo her into bringing you over and marrying you. I guarentee it's a ton easier than you might think.


I can attest to this fact. Its how my first step dad got into the country...

Hes not allowed back though :lol:
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Tonkyhonk » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 am

borka wrote:yep any degree is better than none... only paper (degree documents) tells who you are (and what's your worth) in this world... no papers no worth ...

say that to someone who is undecided to start a college or not, but not to someone who could finish it soon.
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Re: Moving to Sweden

Postby Sarge » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:39 am

I'm not sure what is pushing you so hard that you would want to leave as soon as in a months time, but if you can hang on, then imo you really should. From what I can gather you are simply not ready to skip off to another country and you really want to give yourself the best possible shot when you give it a go.

You are very clearly not a stupid boy and could very comfortably end up in a better job than a postman, in many other countries (maybe even your own?), that I am certain of, you just need to apply yourself to improve your odds. Not crossing the last hurdle to get your business degree is silly (it's stupid really and you know it), do it mate, especially while you have job security for another couple of months. If you have the balls to tackle what you're writing about in this thread, then you will have the balls to finish that course and maybe even look for a better job or even a second job, while finishing your studies and buff up your savings to tackle this move a little later. You will also improve your odds in finding a job in another country, other than the obvious (by having your qualification), but by networking with other people studying and lecturing in the field of trade and commerce, an opportunity that you are currently depriving yourself of.

Tl;dr While it seems you still have the opportunity to prepare yourself better to tackle this move, milk it.

Again, best of luck.
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