About the nature of the game

[parisparisparis]

talking talking

who is to decide who is scum and who is not. everyone is equal here. WILL TO POWER is the only code here.

[Samu]

So, I've been perusing these threads for the first time since I started playing a week ago, and I've stumbled upon this sub-forum here.

There are only TWO stickied threads in this folder, and one of them is a blatant message that states "This game is full of people who absolutely love griefing, and make it their priority. There should be absolutely no sense of community other than 'fuck everyone and everything else, its all about me'"

To the game devs, and the forum moderators:

You have such a fantastic creation here, with this game. Why are you letting the most despicable of humanity run the show in the forums and your game?

The world IS full of horrible people, and that's fine. But to have the theme of the game not just tolerate, but to actively encourage what the "grief general" thread states as the mantra of the game, you will never leave alpha.

inb4 all sarcastic "this is hnh, you cant change it, we like it this way" bullshit.

Rivalry and feuds and such are awesome. I love all the aspects of this game. But to support, and encourage, all out anarchy playstyle, you constantly tarnish what could shape up to be a fantastic product.

Go play runescape or survive. This game has only one level - Hardcore, that,s why I love HnH!

[FFDreke]

So, I've been perusing these threads for the first time since I started playing a week ago, and I've stumbled upon this sub-forum here.

There are only TWO stickied threads in this folder, and one of them is a blatant message that states "This game is full of people who absolutely love griefing, and make it their priority. There should be absolutely no sense of community other than 'fuck everyone and everything else, its all about me'"

To the game devs, and the forum moderators:

You have such a fantastic creation here, with this game. Why are you letting the most despicable of humanity run the show in the forums and your game?

The world IS full of horrible people, and that's fine. But to have the theme of the game not just tolerate, but to actively encourage what the "grief general" thread states as the mantra of the game, you will never leave alpha.

inb4 all sarcastic "this is hnh, you cant change it, we like it this way" bullshit.

Rivalry and feuds and such are awesome. I love all the aspects of this game. But to support, and encourage, all out anarchy playstyle, you constantly tarnish what could shape up to be a fantastic product.

Go play runescape or survive. This game has only one level - Hardcore, that,s why I love HnH!

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[Sevenless]

OP

*chuckles*

You do realize we get a post like this every couple weeks?

[_Gunnar]

Not everyone is a griefer. They are just normally noisier :p
If you don't like the griefers, track them and kill them. Luckily the game lets you do that (more or less). The nice thing about haven is the total freedom - without raiders and murderers there could be no rangers. I have a choice every day whether to slaughter the (increasingly rich) newer players near me, without that freedom of choice me not doing so is way less meaningful... to me anyway

edit: im glad new people are trying out the game still

[Thijssnl]

The nature of the game is what makes it great, after 5 pages of complaints and pointing fingers to the community I still dont understand what point you are trying to make. In a sandbox world, progression is all made by players, thus naturally those who play more and start earlier have an edge.

[Jessie]

Having said that, I like the fact that pretty much anything goes and there is risk even leaving your house. Nowhere has this game promised to be nice and gentle, you're thrown in at the deep end and you either sink or swim. In your case, i dont think you have the right frame of mind to enjoy the game as it is.

It's okay. I'm sure there's more people in the community who actually read and think. Turns out a lot of the forum goers are typical of all forum-goers. Short-attention spanned, for sure.

Responding to each of the same damn bs response and trying to point out in my previous posts how what you said is baseless and moronic is tiresome. A few people are paying attention and like discussion, and then these others just like to feel like their voice is important.

You come on the forums complaining about the game then get annoyed when people put their own point across. If you dont like the game there is a simple solution, leave.
Plus, you wont make friends by calling everyone who disagrees with you 'moronic'.

[WaffleEggnog]

Most of you guys who are arguing against the OP's statement are using the argument that this game is "hardcore" and that you should play another game that suits a more relaxed play style. Now, a lot of you seem to think that this game has a steep learning curve, though In reality it doesn't really. If you have the wiki up, you can learn this game in less than a day. I think that the argument is that he can't survive long enough to get combat skills because vets that have been playing longer kill him, not because they're better at the game or anything skill related, but because they're stats are better. Because of this, there is literally nothing a new player can do once someone with more stats targets them. Even the most hardcore player, who has the best strategies and the most understanding cannot beat someone with way better stats than him/her. It really comes to "I killed you because I started before you and/or have more spare time" then "I spent time learning the combat system and have good strategies". As a player who started just last week as a warrior, I can't do anything against other players simply because they have better stats, not because they're better at the game then me or because they're more hardcore or anything. Don't mistake this for me complaining, I love the way this game works and have no problem with unforgiving games (I came from Bay12), but the "You suck, Hardcore master race, we're better then you" way you guys are responding to this is, to say it bluntly, extreamly arrogant, and, well, wrong.

[Xcom]

Most of you guys who are arguing against the OP's statement are using the argument that this game is "hardcore" and that you should play another game that suits a more relaxed play style. Now, a lot of you seem to think that this game has a steep learning curve, though In reality it doesn't really. If you have the wiki up, you can learn this game in less than a day. I think that the argument is that he can't survive long enough to get combat skills because vets that have been playing longer kill him, not because they're better at the game or anything skill related, but because they're stats are better. Because of this, there is literally nothing a new player can do once someone with more stats targets them. Even the most hardcore player, who has the best strategies and the most understanding cannot beat someone with way better stats than him/her. It really comes to "I killed you because I started before you and/or have more spare time" then "I spent time learning the combat system and have good strategies". As a player who started just last week as a warrior, I can't do anything against other players simply because they have better stats, not because they're better at the game then me or because they're more hardcore or anything. Don't mistake this for me complaining, I love the way this game works and have no problem with unforgiving games (I came from Bay12), but the "You suck, Hardcore master race, we're better then you" way you guys are responding to this is, to say it bluntly, extreamly arrogant, and, well, wrong.

We are still waiting for a logarithmic combat nerf, one that makes infinite levels less effective. Or the gear nerf that caps your combat skills like ranged weapons. But LnJ think its smart to tamper with the combat mechanics after a long 2 year break and break combat instead of fixing the problem at the source.

But to the OP. To implement noobcamps for newbies or starter players to feel safe would mean the game would need a system like W1 where central areas was safer. Even at the cost of alienating the newbies the current system works better then that of the W1 safe areas. Just have to learn the ways to avoid getting killed or learn ways to get around the permadeath via other means. One suggestion is to not place all your eggs in one basket i.e. make more then one toon. Thats just one solution out of many and if you look hard enough you will find its not impossible to survive in this game. You just have to get around the fact its not a traditional MMO and surviving in this game you need to learn new ways to adapt to the challenges this game provides.

[GenghisKhan44]

OP: Death is a frequent occurrence in this game. If you don't like it, tell that to the boars and bears. This game is out to kill you. If you don't like having to fight death - or restart 500 times because of it - play WoW or Minecraft or some other game. But this game is fun because you have to fight death, and sometimes get slaughtered anyway. And at the end, there's no point in whining, because the map always gets wiped anyway.

The overarching theme of this game is death, death, death.

God be with you.

-GK44