Parents murder kid (discussion on death penalty)

[factnfiction101]

let me tell you what a low life scumbag little dicked low-iq loser you are...

Wow, what the heck is wrong with you? Shut your stupid whore mouth, and leave Overtyped alone.

[Amanda44]

Don't get me wrong, I can't help myself but want these kinds of people to die, but rationally speaking, I don't think that's the right choice.

And that is exactly it, ofc these kinds of atrocities stir up a lot of feelings, esp for those with children who can't help but relate the events to their own child. Who wouldn't want to brutally savage someone who harmed your child. When I hear about cruelty to children or animals my initial reaction is to want to do the same to them, I think most of us feel like that, hopefully most of us also wouldn't be able to.

The point is;

These kinds of people need help, they're not normal people who just decided killing their kids is right, and punishment would make them think "nevermind, that was wrong, won't do it again!". They're sick people who need to be treated, and especially not killed.

For people who are this troubled they (probably) would only feel sorry for themselves at being punished, without the help first.
And, I still think that by deciding who should live and who should die puts us on a similar level in many respects.
When you try to help an injured animal and then it turns around and bites you, you don't kill it, you just take more care and continue to help it.

[longfeather]

Ironically, in the State I live in, when a prisoner is executed the cause of death listed on the death certificate is Homicide.

[Flame]

There is some difference in a woman that try to die, leaving her daughter alone, and a woman that kill a child?
There are many, but there are none, if we speak of "Wrong way to live in the society".

Kill other or kill ourselves, is the result of a really big problem in the mind of that person.

I see no reason to give another chance to the woman that tryed the suicide and NOT give another chance to the killer.
Both have a problem and both can be solved. The one that have not killed someone, have the luck that no one will hate her so much.
The killer is less lucky, and this is ok, is just the reality. She killed someone, she will be hated, she have to Pay with her time and have to learn how to REPAIR what can be repaired.

A friend of mine is now in the hospital for the suicide try. She have done a big mistake and she's lucky that no one is thinking "you're a murder, you was killing the future of your daughter".
Just a matter of luck, because humans feels less DANGEROUS a suicide than a killer.

But both needs to Heal.

[DDDsDD999]

let me tell you what a low life scumbag little dicked low-iq loser you are...

Wow, what the heck is wrong with you? Shut your stupid whore mouth, and leave Overtyped alone.

Rhiannon is known to be a huge raging bitch. I highly recommend ignoring it.

[overtyped]

She, not he. Assuming Idiot. To point one, your view regarding future historians musing about the savages allowing different sentences for different crimes in different societies, and the horror of such a situation, would only apply to (And that future discussion would only take place in) a one-world government with uniformed laws which does not exist at this time and is therefore moot. If it did exist I would agree, nor am I opposed to the idea of it. As to the rest of that bleeding heart that is staining the carpet under your desk. I never said anything about a blanket NOR general acceptance, desire or agreement with the death penalty as a "Oft spun conviction/act". I think it should be relegated to a VERY STRICT set of circumstances and situations BEYOND doubt and WITHOUT any foreseeable possibility of falsehood. Believe it or not, that situation happens FAR more than you obviously would like to admit.,,such as in THIS particular case. Your counter is true and has happened in cases and should be a lesson to adhere to my point and place for the "ultimate fate" conviction.

First point, I was saying how situational punishments are based on the society. I don't know why that has anything to do with a world government.
You say i'm a bleeding heart, but I don't sympathize with these killers, and I'm stroking the removal of the death penalty to a broader brush than just the underprivileged.
Your "strict" set of circumstances still kill innocent people, and even if it was a 100% guilty rate, we are still slaughtering our citizens for no other reason than vengeance, and I will not say nothing to a legal system that runs on vengeance rather than justice.

[Rhiannon]

let me tell you what a low life scumbag little dicked low-iq loser you are...

Wow, what the heck is wrong with you? Shut your stupid whore mouth, and leave Overtyped alone.

Rhiannon is known to be a huge raging bitch. I highly recommend ignoring it.

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[Tonkyhonk]

because i read it before you deleted it, v, let me assure you that you didnt get the point of op or havent read it. i think overtyped felt the same or similar by the comments people made (comment log pic in op) and started this thread.

[MagicManICT]

It's primarily the automatic state appeals, automatic federal appeals, and the additional trial costs when these occur. The goal is to give people on death row every chance possible to prove their innocence.

Not necessarily "prove innocence," but to at least defend against being put to death. The alternative, on the other hand... I think I'd just rather face my execution than go through all the BS.

Why death penalty?
Because incarceration costs a LOT to the society.

And have you seen the cost of life in prison vs cost of the death penalty? Do you even know what an appeals attourney makes that specializes in these cases? I don't know about you, but I live in the US (and this goes for most of the major economic powers), and death sentences can take anywhere from 10-20 years to carry out due to the number of extensions, appeals, and other legal issues that come up. Figure up all those legal costs and figure that the "average" lifespan of an incarcerated person compared to normal (those that haven't been sent to prison) people. Fact is, it actually costs more to put a person on death row than to incarcerate that person for something like 30 years.

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2013/02/pris ... e-release/

Remember, these are accused people at this point. We're not in the courtroom, we aren't the cops, we aren't the prosecutors, and we aren't the defenders. We only know what has been reported, which can often be misleading. Anyone judging without a fair trial should probably keep their bullshit to themselves. It's rants and shit that get innocent people killed--or at least their families terrorized in this day and age... Just look at Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. for threats against accused people and see how deep they go, even if the accused is found to be innocent.

Attempting to do my part to encourage everyone to think more instead of just reacting blindly.

[dagrimreefah]

On a side note

With only 5% of the worlds population, the us has 25% of the worlds prison population. This is what happens when you privatize prisons. You make incarcerating people profitable.

No, don't blame America's rediculously high prison rate on "that evil capitalism". Its so easy to blame "capitalism" for everything. So easy to sit on a soap box and condemn everyone for wanting to earn profits (yet i'm willing to wager that if you were selling something, you'd get mad at me pretty fuckin' quickly if I ask to have it for free...)

You're just ignoring the true evil here, the government and their War on Drugs. What also contributes to such a high prison rate?: government SUBSIDIZING prison corporations. Profit is not the culprit. We need profits and losses to tell us whether our allocation of resources are sound. Blaming profitability and privatization for an overpopulation in prison is like blaming the fucking bars that hold them there. its government subsidies that incentivize the rounding up of millions of Americans into cages, not profits, since the profits aren't even real. Its mainly state kickbacks and other GOVERNMENT (not private) subsidies that fuel the thirst for these "Wackenhuts" to keep their prisons full. And what is the catalyst? The WAR ON DRUGS. Anyway, back to the shadows...