Scripts abusing in w7

[Potjeh]

Alts.

And no, you really shouldn't, unless the goal is to prevent influx of new players.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

It would be a great idea if it was accompanied with an overhaul of combat.

[Vantri]

Wish I had been told about Blue Byte's Settlers 4 before starting playing HnH.
HnH had it's positive moments when playing with friends, but on other ocassions it's unfortunately "run a bot or die'n'rot" game.

[slipper]

IMO It's easier to pick off characters with the same UA one by one, even if the enemy has many copies of them, instead of fighting people with more than double your stats.

[Potjeh]

^this

And yeah, if they overhaul combat system so numbers above a certain points are purely cosmetic, that'd work. It doesn't have to be a cap on the actual UA, just a cap on move & attack weight differential.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Or a soft-cap with exponential return, creating an effective hard cap.

[Xcom]

There is way to much shit talk in this thread and noones presenting a single shred of fact. Here are some rough numbers to at least shed some light on the matter.



This is an image of a daily study box in December. At the time the best learning ability you could get was around 500%.

The top table is of a person who uses the best possible curio. The total LPH shows the two numbers calculated where in one instance the bolete is replaced by a pearl. The orange highlighted curios indicate possible bot farmed curios as well. The bottom table shows that of a more casual player studying more commonly found curios.

These are some rough calculations of the LPH of a person who have access to some of the high end curios and a person who plays regularly but don't have access to the same high end stuff. The person with the lower tear curios also fills the study less regularly therefor have to think about using curios that last longer to avoid having to constantly fill the study box. The person with the high end curios can also choose to study pearls or boletes. The difference is extreme and very significant as well as require a bot to automatically study.

Clearly it shows how heavy impacts pearls have. With pearls the LPH triples to that of a regular player. Without pearl study the LPH of a very wealthy player is roughly 1.75x faster. Whats not shown on the first study window is how fast some of the very high end curios study as well. If the curios are manually studied twice a day then the efficiency would be reduced significantly and be far less then 1.75x faster. Taking that into account it can be said that the wealthy person who doesn't auto fill study have a 1.5x faster study then that of a regular player. 50% faster LPH can give a specific character more LP but as there is diminishing returns the gaps become smaller over time.

Assuming the 3 types of players would play for a month then this would be there rough estimated LP:
Auto study with pearls: 60 000 LPH * (time in hours) 720 = 43.2 million LP
Wealthy player: 38 400 LPH * (time in hours) 720 * (study time lost when curios are not studying) 0.8 = 22.1 million LP
Regular player: 21 900 LPH * (time in hours) 720 * (study time lost when curios are not studying) 0.9 = 14.1 million LP

As the regular player uses a better strategy to lose less study time its assumed to have a 10% study loss. The wealthy player cant avoid losing study time as some of the curios are to short term and most likely will finish studying when he is offline increasing the study loss to 20%.

Spending all the LP in a single combat starting with level 1 you end up with.
Auto study with pearls: 930 UA
Wealthy player: 664 UA
Regular player: 532 UA

Clearly auto pearl studying is over powered. But the other curios as in bells, floatsams, edels show that is only give marginal advantages. But on the other hand 720 pearls isn't exactly easy to bot either.

Pearls are the problem at the end of the day. Remove bots and wealthy traders can pull in pearls just as effectively or even more so then bots and study them religiously on a specific character. This also proves that the prices have not gone down sense the previous worlds as pearls can be consumed faster then they are traded making there demand stay on the same level as they were before. As of date there is only one single trader that have refused pearls, most likely unaware of how effective pearls really are.

An alternative to the bell and edel farming could also be to make high end curios have a longer study time similar to shewbread making them valued to need less maintenance instead of a short term boost in LPH. Clearly they would need to be made slightly more rare to compensate for the long study times. Farming them would make it pointless as you would just end up with a large stockpile that you couldn't study.


Edit: There is another thing to note around automated bluebell farms. Everyone who talks about bots that collect bells clearly haven't used there brains to farm curios manually. A single intelligent player can prepare 5-7 alts that can spot bluebells. If said person were to place each alt in a swamp in the random vicinity of his main base he could quite literally find a bluebell per hour or more. Log into one character and scout, log out and log into the next one. By the time your finished with the last character on the list the first character would be ready to scout the first swamp on the list again.

This technique could be used to farm a weeks worth of bluebells for a main character in a single day. The whole debate around bot farmed bells is stupid as 7 bluebells takes roughly a week to study and could be gathered by a normal person in just under 2-3hours with enough alts and swamps. When people show pictures of a cupboard full of bluebells they don't really understand that that cub would last for 2 full months of constant study if used on a single character. The only advantage bots give in this particular matter is that you can supply bells to more then one alt.

[Astarisk]

There is quite a bit wrong with what you just posted, and I don't even feel like addressing all the points. So here is a more simplified point.

>Defines "regular player" as a much more active player in a higher end village
--500% lp with pearl gear -- which costs something like 30 pearls if you include buying RoB that another player has to craft for you. (Easily achievable by regular players ) I know people who have been playing since the start of this world with zero bots that dont even have a single piece of pearl gear.

--Here, let me fix that image for you to include other bots that are used (I should include teddy's as I'm sure quite a few high end people just buy their bears with pearls):



--Wont even talk about the ridiculousness of running 7 characters to try to farm bluebells (whose success I would also highly doubt). What bots could have been used to help create and level these characters for such a task?

I could continue on with a lot more points, but It's way too much effort for me.

P.S: I hate hard caps, anything that stops progression feels completely lame, whether It would be time (Salem) or caps on items.

[Xcom]

@ Astarisk Your points don't even show any clear advantages or disadvantages bots bring. I wasn't talking about clueless noobs. People in my town farm all the crafted curios by hand and I'm sure any normal player who doesn't use bots don't have problems acquiring the crafted curios listed with to much effort.

Everyone in my town farmed there own pearl necklesses in the first weeks of this world. Yes you heard that right, we farmed our pearl necklesses in the first weeks of this world. By hand, in one week or less.

Factless subjective opinions about bots doesn't help improve the status quo. You cant just emotionally find bots bad and stick bunch of random opinions you have against it as a fact. Clearly the present facts showed how bots don't turn you into god mode when you use them. If you didn't understand that then I'll highlight the main point.

Pearls are bad and some of the other high end curios needs adjusting. Then the bad bots will go away and everyone can be happy.

[GrapefruitV]

Everyone in my town farmed there own pearl necklesses in the first weeks of this world. Yes you heard that right, we farmed our pearl necklesses in the first weeks of this world. By hand, in one week or less.

I find that hard to believe tbh. Yes, 20 pearls for one person in less than a week is possible, but in the first week of the world you can't spend 5+ hours a day collecting and boiling mussels, because you're too busy raising surv, mm, expanding claims, building walls and searching for nodes. Especially considering you can't get enough perc*exp in one day at the start, unless you were really lucky with fish and ants. Some people do concentrate on pearl hunting from day one just to show off, but entire village? You're clearly exaggerating.