Scripts abusing in w7

[Kaios]

Except you didn't want to participate when we built the wall manually

What? Early game I played plenty. I helped with the wall and I helped dig clay and I went out and created villages on resources and I did hunting and I made chats/calls more interesting with my mere presence! It wasn't until after those early game necessities were completed that I started to lose interest. Why argue these things though? I'm trying to be as impartial as I possibly can and you are straight up calling me a bad villager. Thanks man, really appreciated.

[Tonkyhonk]

Wait a minute Tonky - at least let someone respond, "at least seemed willing to allow it" - " has the ability to bot plenty of bricks for you guys to build any size vault if you wanted" and "could have easily happened" are in no way evidence that any of it has happened.

To add to that Kaios hasn't disputed any of the other things ramones says, i.e the farming, curio crafting, foraging, etc. Em has always said as much and that Xcom and some others bot for their own projects. Why are you always so quick to judge? Esp when they are not the ones out foraging pearls etc.

I realize perfectly how little Xcom and Emerald City has to do with the overall problem,

its not about what happened, but about the false *principals* you advertise to the public.

[Amanda44]

Wait a minute Tonky - at least let someone respond, "at least seemed willing to allow it" - " has the ability to bot plenty of bricks for you guys to build any size vault if you wanted" and "could have easily happened" are in no way evidence that any of it has happened.

To add to that Kaios hasn't disputed any of the other things ramones says, i.e the farming, curio crafting, foraging, etc. Em has always said as much and that Xcom and some others bot for their own projects. Why are you always so quick to judge? Esp when they are not the ones out foraging pearls etc.

I realize perfectly how little Xcom and Emerald City has to do with the overall problem,

its not about what happened, but about the false *principals* you advertise to the public.

I understand that but 'seeming' to be swayed by a conversation and 'actually' being swayed by a conversation are two totally different things, how do you know Em hasn't put her foot down and refused any such activity from her village, or dissuaded them from their intent or any other outcome - you don't, and neither do I tbh, but until Em comes in here and says any different I find it extremely hard to believe that she has been advertising false principles to the public.

It's a bit soon to be rushing in and calling someone a liar is all I'm saying, give her a chance to respond first.

I've had a couple of conversations with Jordan where I've talked about raising a titan combat char and taking over the world, lol, it's partly serious, partly wishful thinking and partly jest but until it happens it's neither a fact or false advertising, it's just a conversation. Sometimes you can be slightly influenced in what you are saying depending on who you are talking to, it doesn't necessarily mean you are then going to follow through and change your whole outlook.

[ramones]

Kaios, I didn't want to argue or anything Just wanted to say how xcom has way less benefitial role on EC as many would claim just by knowhing his scripting/client abilities, thats all.

And yea, lot of talks were about the vault thingies, but that was just chit chatter. The only thing that was vault was something I had, which was made exclusively for tracking scents at EC, punishing perps and avoiding EC connecting to that so it wouldn't be more assaults (we had plenty). And it was literally used only 2x afaik.

We've lost the track with subject

[Xcom]

What? Early game I played plenty. I helped with the wall and I helped dig clay and I went out and created villages on resources and I did hunting and I made chats/calls more interesting with my mere presence! It wasn't until after those early game necessities were completed that I started to lose interest. Why argue these things though? I'm trying to be as impartial as I possibly can and you are straight up calling me a bad villager. Thanks man, really appreciated.

I never said you were a bad villager, you were just absent. In fact I had alot of fun with everyone who joined up early game. But then when the novelty of early game wore off alot of players dropped off, yourself included. The part that you blame it on the botting being a reason is total bullshit though cause there were plenty of talks where you and many other said the same thing. The talks where haven had a great start but then fell into a grind fest behind brick walls. If bots are the direct cause of that then you can blame it on them. Sadly that's not the case, bots are the result of it.

I have time and time again said the same thing. If the game was different then the bots wouldn't be needed. Helping by discussing solutions and finding ways to fix this dilemma is more important then flaming me or the town I live in. But you instead directed all your focus on bashing me. In result of that truth about you cam out as well.

[MightySheep]

the recruitment villages you join kill you

that has never happened but thanks for being an example of why h&h community sucks

[Kaios]

We've lost the track with subject

Yeah I know and I did say that already too and I've been trying to get things back on topic but unfortunately:

But then when the novelty of early game wore off alot of players dropped off, yourself included.

ya, said that

The part that you blame it on the botting being a reason is total bullshit though

ya, didn't say that. I said it was annoying/depressing and it was PART of the reason. One part loss of interest, one part school/work, one part annoying botter stuff.

cause there were plenty of talks where you and many other said the same thing. The talks where haven had a great start but then fell into a grind fest behind brick walls. If bots are the direct cause of that then you can blame it on them. Sadly that's not the case, bots are the result of it.

Wow, it's like you somehow have this uncanny ability to see in to the past and recall what I've already written! You're correct, bots are the result of poor game mechanics. Do you deny however that some of the poor mechanics changes have been the result of botting? This argument is similar to one such as "Increasing homicide rates are the result of not enough gun legislation. "NO! Increasing homicide rates are the result of too much gun legislation!" There's really no end to it. Let's just drop the notion that these two issues are one in the same. Botting and in-game mechanics are separate issues and allow me to explain why in one short quote:

Haven is a survival game, anything that gives a player the slightest advantage will be used.

Helping by discussing solutions and finding ways to fix this dilemma is more important then flaming me or the town I live in. But you instead directed all your focus on bashing me. In result of that truth about you cam out as well.

I directed my focus on not allowing an individual to glorify the use of bots and scripts. As for this truth thing, lol ok??

[Eemerald]

You were in EC Kaios, you know how things were at that time and they didn't really change with exception of that few people quit/new joined.

I do know and you're right and that was my point. The whole argument had absolutely ZERO to do with Xcom or Emerald City but he decided to join in and thus involved himself and in turn Emerald City as well so I'm sorry if it ends up looking bad for you guys but it's certainly not my fault.

I realize perfectly how little Xcom and Emerald City has to do with the overall problem, but if either of you are going to argue with me I promise I'm not going to go easy on you so do so at your own risk. For example, before I stopped playing in Emerald City/At all I remember talks of creating vaults specifically for the purpose of being able to go and raid without scents being tracked back to the main village itself to prevent culpability and Emerald although did not seem keen about the idea at least seemed willing to allow it. I know for a fact that by now Xcom has the ability to bot plenty of bricks for you guys to build any size vault if you wanted, not to mention the fact that everyone bots those combat alts. It's points like these I could bring up, regardless of proof or whether or not you'd admit it, I feel this could have easily happened at this point in the game.

we also joke about many things related to raids and the such, we sure as hell haven't done so. The only times we get remotely close to being involved in that kind of thing is when a node of ours is being attacked, which has occurred a few times, but always resolved without it going down into fighting, and everyone knows how I deal with situations and many people in EC get frustrated with the fact that id rather let things slide and negotiate than start some stupid fight with another town. We are not fighters, we are a production town, with botters and non botters, I think the points on botting have been dragged around pretty heavily and we discussed pros and cons, and everyone is entitled to play this game as they choose, as you were, when you were a part of the town. if you didn't like the botting, then that is your opinion and I'm sure other town would have taken you on if you had continued playing the game.

just to add also, your point about the town benefitting from xcom and his botting is true to some extent, it does greatly help in certain areas, but predominantly for the menial jobs, not really for quality based ones. SO bulk logs, board, stones, digging cellers or whatever it is useful, and it saves time, but for things like animals, trees, our main cheese supply, food, curios etc, it really isn't used at all. And xcom was never and still isn't a curio or pearl botter, he likes projects and testing things, not quality control or building up characters. and also he didn't really need to, no one really did, because trading bought enough in that it was unnecessary. but it definitely helps, and that's not going to be rejected, but everyones roles offers something to the town.

[Eemerald]

I understand that but 'seeming' to be swayed by a conversation and 'actually' being swayed by a conversation are two totally different things, how do you know Em hasn't put her foot down and refused any such activity from her village, or dissuaded them from their intent or any other outcome - you don't, and neither do I tbh, but until Em comes in here and says any different I find it extremely hard to believe that she has been advertising false principles to the public.

It's a bit soon to be rushing in and calling someone a liar is all I'm saying, give her a chance to respond first.

I've had a couple of conversations with Jordan where I've talked about raising a titan combat char and taking over the world, lol, it's partly serious, partly wishful thinking and partly jest but until it happens it's neither a fact or false advertising, it's just a conversation. Sometimes you can be slightly influenced in what you are saying depending on who you are talking to, it doesn't necessarily mean you are then going to follow through and change your whole outlook.

thank you Amanda. you know me better than most, so I appreciate the support. you'd think I was running some political party with the false principles to the public stuff...I run a town in an online gaming world. it's really not srs bizness. it's fun and it's interesting. that's it.

[Tonkyhonk]

when the last few huge exploits/abuses came from the same town, sure, its clear nobody in the town finds it srs bzns or even care, its just fun.