Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

[Chakravanti]

And the the danger of assassination being that THAT spills over into public trials (or rather, the lack thereof).

You keep reiterating that the trial is pointless if you already know the result. It's not. It's about establishing a chain of evidence for and by review at that p[oint so that the result may not be disputed by fringe conspiracy theory groups. If the internet and religion have taught us anything it is that memetic virility has jack fucking shit to do with a meme's inherent truth or lack thereof.

As far as getting busted out by his peers. Well imho if a bunch of desert brains can get into the US, and bust him out then the US deserves to have its rep smeared for the break. We've got prisons that make a mideval fortress look like a sandcastle so short of a hundred suicide bombers zerging the place i'm pretty sure it's a non-issue because even at that point he still wouldn't be able to escape. IN fact, it'd pretty much have to a government conspiracy for him to escape from a US prison.

Even then, what? A year, maybe two tops before he gets the rope too by PUBLIC TRIAL. Public, not fair, because fair is a crock of shit to begin with.

[burgingham]

The highest court in Germany delivers unpopular judgements all the time. It is bound only to our "constitution" (it is not really a constitution in the technical sense) and in no way to the political circus. As it should be with a proper division of power. Some even argue it is too independant of the opinion of the people in its judgements, but that is for another discussion. My point is that it is entirely possible to create such an independant court.

[Chakravanti]

My point is that it is entirely possible to create such an independant court.

+1 Although, creating isn't the hard part, relatively. Maintaining it is. And this piddly shit to lose that over.

[Potjeh]

And that kind of court is the only proper court. Courts with pre-known verdicts are a mockery of the very concept of justice.

As for imprisoning him in USA, that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I doubt that the transitional government would want to appear as a USA lackey in front of Libyan people.

[Chakravanti]

And that kind of court is the only proper court. Courts with pre-known verdicts are a mockery of the very concept of justice.

Bullshit. Ex. Lets say those kids at Columbine didn't suicide (or were disarmed and prevented). The verdict would be known ahead of time. Does that make giving them a trial a joke? The value of the trial is it's PUBLIC nature. I have no idea what you are trying to suggest that it is instead. Foreknowledge=/=corruption. It just means the facts are plain as fucking day and it's no excuse to skip out on the process even if it's a bureaucratic hassle.

As for imprisoning him in USA, that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I doubt that the transitional government would want to appear as a USA lackey in front of Libyan people.

If the USA was present at his finding and the US soldiers take him, then what say would the rebels have anyway? It shouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that the rebels even hand him over the purpose of world knowledge that they are in fact just in executing him wherein his judgement can be to be fed right back to their hand to do with as they wish. If the rebels assasinated him however (which, even if it was their hand, is irrelevant due to US/NATO soldier presence and participation in the affair) it wouldn't even begin to open this can of worms. It would be an internal affair. That, however, is not the case.

[Potjeh]

Known may be the wrong word. I don't mean in the sense that it's obvious, but in the sense that any other verdict is impossible even in theory. Columbine kids could've gotten away by pleading insanity in theory, though there isn't much chance of that working in practice.

And USA troops bossing around rebel troops in Libya is the best way to make Libyan people hostile to USA.

[Chakravanti]

In theory, he could have claimed insanity too. It wouldn't be unreasonable to bank against his pride either.


"Bossing around" isn't necessary when you explain to the rebels how valuable it is to the successor in a regime change to have the entire world cheering your conduct in war because of the benefits it will facilitate in providing for your people and in turn garnering their loyalty and thus service.

<sarc>But you know, fuck diplomacy. We got missiles in space. </sarc>

[Potjeh]

There is no theoretical chance he'd get acquitted even if the world's psychiatrists testified he's legally insane.

As for rebels handing him over voluntarily that's fine, but would be bad PR for the rebel government so they'd never do it. It's of utmost importance that they appear independent before Libyan people, if they were suspected to be a puppet of the West they'd go down in no time at all.

[Chakravanti]

There is no theoretical chance he'd get acquitted even if the world's psychiatrists testified he's legally insane.

Insanity pleas do not bequeth an aquittal.

As for rebels handing him over voluntarily that's fine, but would be bad PR for the rebel government so they'd never do it. It's of utmost importance that they appear independent before Libyan people, if they were suspected to be a puppet of the West they'd go down in no time at all.

You mistakenly believe that they would have to appear as 'puppets of the west' absolutely no reason they couldn't be held in a Libyan prison run by the CIA until the formalities of trial have been conducted.

In truth. These War Trial courts should be held well in advance of a coup so that the 'assasination' technically isn't. Therein he could be informed of the trial and given every opportunity to be present and represent himself or, given his obvious decline and the need to actually have him be present, allow him to send a diplomat in his place. Technically for a trial to be valid he would have ot be present but the nature of the affair sort of precludes against that and given that it is the best option for a trial to be conducted as such with the opportunity for presence provided and the eyes of the world on the proceedings this technicallity can be rendered irrelevant via the decline to participate by defendant.

You say all this as if assassination won't make them any less hostile or anarchic. Truly, this only sets the precedent that has prevailed in every fuedal state. Assasination is the easiest way to the top.

Now that I think about. Maybe it isn't such a bad scenario...

[Avu]

lol you're funny and I assume George Bush should also show up for trials made by islamic nations.