Other games you play or have played.

[Winterbrass]

Yeah but there's always a way to avoid death. If you're the storyteller and the character dies because of the roll of a dice it's because you, the storyteller said "If you lose this dice roll you die.' If there's 'nothing you can do about it' even though your the storyteller...then your game own you. The golden rule in all White wolf publications (and at my table) are: Fuck the rules, story matters #1. It's a big fucking world out there and just because peeps are gunning for one of your chars doesn't mean you can't find a reason to have him tipped off and/or sent support from the-enemy-of-my-enemy type of faction.

Now and then I've had a really stupid player whose character I killed. It was a plot device to explain why their player was not invited to the next session.

Characters surviving solely because of the fact that they're characters cheapens both player and non-player characters. It is, as you've said, a big fucking world out there - and it sure as hell doesn't revolve around the player characters. Unless there is a special reason that the character would be aware of their impending death, it's no form of roleplaying that I've ever heard of to make the character aware. Rules are rules, and story matters, sure, but if you have to bend credulity to ensure a player survives, that's too Deus Ex Machina for me. I've never liked White Wolf because it prostitutes rules to hurfdurf pretentious stories.

[Lman8786]

does anyone know a game like this one where you can claim land and pvp and such that would be some fun!

[Chakravanti]

Characters surviving solely because of the fact that they're characters cheapens both player and non-player characters. It is, as you've said, a big fucking world out there - and it sure as hell doesn't revolve around the player characters. Unless there is a special reason that the character would be aware of their impending death, it's no form of roleplaying that I've ever heard of to make the character aware. Rules are rules, and story matters, sure, but if you have to bend credulity to ensure a player survives, that's too Deus Ex Machina for me. I've never liked White Wolf because it prostitutes rules to hurfdurf pretentious stories.

Hey there's nothing says you can't be a rules lawyer in White wolf. In fact I'd recommend Werewolf: the Apocalypse, it's right up your alley, brutal hack 'n slash. And yes, if players abuse the leniency I give them in survival and do shit just because they know I'll keep them alive...I'll kill them. My point is that whether or not a player dies is either up to the storyteller or the dice, and it's up to the storyteller to choose between the two. I agree that people who do stupid shit should die. However, much as I said, I don't play games with stupid people for very long. However, I don't blindside my good players with death if they don't check for traps under every tile at the mall.

[sabinati]

well the best games i've played were the ultima series, fallout series, civilization series. i've played lots of other games too i guess. this is the only game i play anymore though.

[theTrav]

My point is that whether or not a player dies is either up to the storyteller or the dice, and it's up to the storyteller to choose between the two.

Look, I don't mean my posts to be an attack on you or how you run your games... I'm sure they'd be pretty fun, I'm just trying to say that there's a very different style of playing that I tend to enjoy more.

I find that a DM who tries to keep me alive undermines my ability to make reasoned decisions about how to stay alive, and also tends to make me feel like I'm not accomplishing things myself so much as running through a story that he wants to tell me, which is fine if it's a good story, but is a very different experience to what I'm used to now.

[Winterbrass]

I find that a DM who tries to keep me alive undermines my ability to make reasoned decisions about how to stay alive, and also tends to make me feel like I'm not accomplishing things myself so much as running through a story that he wants to tell me, which is fine if it's a good story, but is a very different experience to what I'm used to now.

This.

[Chakravanti]

Again, it's not that I manually save my player's character dozens of times through a session. I don't need to. I run a lovecraftian themed game of investiative horro. If you're at all familiar with CoC you'll know that the death of every investigator is pretty much expected.

The magic gives my players just the edge they need to survive in this setting. I want them to be alert and I'm not saying nothing threatens them, but I'd rather my players pay attention to what's going on than if their are traps or goblins under every rock. I need my players to focus on the plot because I DO NOT railroad them. THere is shit going on, and with or without them it's going to happen. I have a preset chain of events that I modify based on how the players interfere. I only provide two-three plot hooks and if the players don't bite I don't force it. NOthing happens, we sit their and chat about characters smoking weed, drinking beer and eating pizza while smoke weed drink beer and eat pizza

If they want different story by all means they may volunteer for the job. Unfortunately, I have never had hat happen. Always a storyteller and never a player. =/

[Kleinke]

Playing Word War II Online: Battleground Europe. Fuck yeah.

Graphics update v1.31 beta on monday motherfuckers.

[Chakravanti]

does anyone know a game like this one where you can claim land and pvp and such that would be some fun!

WYrm and shadowbane fit that criteria but Shadowbane is highly guild based. Without one you will not have access to half the game. IDK much about wyrm beyond that you pay for it. SBEmu will be free when it goes live.