Bottleneck Griefed

[theThief]

Thief, you're giving real Thieves bad names. Not everyone griefs, so change your name to theGrief or something.

Right, stealing from your friends is a much more noble cause then walling in the people who walled you in first.

We walled you in with two layers of fires you dumb cunt. You're walling us in with fucking drying racks that WE CAN'T REMOVE. Are you really that stupid? What is wrong with you man? You've been doing this for two days straight now!

You're pretty dense aren't you, I've quoted the post where the person tells you that they walled me in and you still think I'm a different person that you found in some forest.

I was walled in by fires that I cannot remove because they are placed behind a house, and I'm still trapped there as I have just said in a recent post, which apparently you did not read, because it explains why I was walling you in. I was just trying to get my character unstuck, using an indirect method. As I do not wish to ask the admins to unstuck my character directly. And have a little fun while I was at it.

[Raephire]

If I was the devteam, I'd consider the banhammer. One does not need such assholes in the game.

Also, grow a brain, or use yours if you already have one. If you must grief, do it with style. Your behavior at this point heavily points at overcompensation for something, perhaps missing guts? Or a missing brain? Anyway, this is futile. I shall now work on an utility to track you down and subsequently grief you in REAL LIFE. I'd like to see your face when you discover that your personal belongings are spread across the town, some turn out to be missing, your books/CDs/whatever defaced and hate mail sprayed over all of your room, not to mention the barricade that's been put in front of your door. Imagine it.

That, my friend, would be illegal (not to mention expensive). If you did that they could sue you for damages, plus whatever else they felt like, probably some stress related damages too, your life would suck, I'd stick to the game if I were you lol

Real life doesn't leave thief scents, fingerprints only work if someone leaves them and has them registered, and also. The police arent psychic, most criminals that are caught are caught because they made a mistake or they made it personal. People get away with crimes all the time. I know.

[Hamel]

I was walled in by fires that I cannot remove because they are placed behind a house, and I'm still trapped there as I have just said in a recent post, which apparently you did not read, because it explains why I was walling you in. I was just trying to get my character unstuck, using an indirect method. As I do not wish to ask the admins to unstuck my character directly. And have a little fun while I was at it.

I had a feeling you were the fellow Potjeh walled in behind that house, even without noticing that link. Here is what Potjeh said about it, for those who have not seen it.

My thoughts on this. While I am not sure that Potjeh took the wisest course of action, this matter was between the two of you. You really should not have taken it out on the whole town. Your actions are inexcusable, and are entirely deserving of the punishments we have dealt unto you. I am afraid your chances of receiving forgiveness from the citizens of Bottleneck are slim.

Let it also be known that if you had taken any physical offensive action against Potjeh (AKA Goran Starodub), we would have reacted to this similarly as we have now. Attacking our Lawspeaker is a bad idea.

[Potjeh]

Yes, I admit I could've given it more thought before walling that hearth. Still, the fact that the hearth was hidden and that my crucibles were opened makes it easy to think that it's someone after your steel. I've found clues on my property before, but this is the first time I've acted on them, so I was a bit stumped on what to do about this threat. Even now I'm not sure how I could've given a warning to stay out of my cabin without taking the drastic action that I took.

[ybobjoe]

My thoughts on this. While I am not sure that Potjeh took the wisest course of action, this matter was between the two of you. You really should not have taken it out on the whole town. Your actions are inexcusable, and are entirely deserving of the punishments we have dealt unto you. I am afraid your chances of receiving forgiveness from the citizens of Bottleneck are slim.

Let it also be known that if you had taken any physical offensive action against Potjeh (AKA Goran Starodub), we would have reacted to this similarly as we have now. Attacking our Lawspeaker is a bad idea.

Personally I do not like B12, they have a high and mighty attitude and act like any rudeness or aggression that they take towards others is justified, while anything done them is horrendous and unforgivable.

You're Lawspeaker started walling people, to permanently destroy peoples characters before anything was even stolen from them. You think that is the wisest choice he could make? I'm sorry, but I do not understand your logic.

Step 1. Your town representative and followers start walling in anyone who seems suspicious.
Step 2. Someone retaliates and walls in your town.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. People retaliating against your actions are evil and unforgivable. All your actions are right, and all of their actions are wrong.

Forgiveness? Sorry but you don't even know who I am, and I couldn't care less about your forgiveness.
Punishment? Other than walling in one of my characters, which was not a punishment as I had done nothing yet, you killed a 5 minute old character that I was expecting to lose eventually.
Inexcusable? If my actions of walling people in was "inexcusable", then so were yours.

Also once again you fail to see why I actually walled in your town. Did I rage and start swearing and taunting the people of B12 after what they did to me? No, although I did receive quite a bit of flack myself.

Here was my logic

Step 1. Block in all the hearths in B12, don't need to worry about them getting upset since they seem to think walling people in is fair game
Step 2. B12 cries to Loftar to remove all the walls blocking hearths
Step 3. Loftar removes all the walls blocking the hearths, B12 learns that they shouldn't just go around blocking people in
Step 4. Everyone in B12 is free, myself included

Though I admit my plan failed, so I decided to stop blocking you guys in.

[Curudan]

You're Lawspeaker started walling people, to permanently destroy peoples characters before anything was even stolen from them. You think that is the wisest choice he could make? I'm sorry, but I do not understand your logic.

Not "peoples", but 'person".

And, yes I think it is.

1. You trespassed on his claims and snooped in his steel crucibles.
2. You had no right to be in Bottleneck in the first place.
3. You hid your hearth fire behind a cabin.
4. BN had experienced many recent thefts.

Based on that evidence, it seems pretty obvious that you were in BN to steal and/or grief.

Anyway, Potjeh said that he wouldn't have walled you in if you hadn't hid your hearth fire behind a cabin.

I had no intention of killing this rude trespasser, but then I found out that his hearth is hidden behind a house in Bottleneck. Well, I loathe people who use such cheap tricks, so I built a bunch of fires behind that house. I'm fairly sure he's walled in and can't get out.

Had this "thief" placed his hearth where he could be summoned, he would most likely have kept his character. I'd just rough him up a bit and leave him a note to stay out of my stuff. But by using his cheap trick he has ensured that all of his LP will be wasted.

All things considered, I'd say that he handled this situation exactly as I would have handled it, except for one thing: if I had found your hearth fire in a summonable position, I would have killed you.

You also have to understand that, at the time, there were many thieves stealing things, but no one was able to retaliate because they hid their hearth fires. It was a very frustrating situation.

[Hamel]

Personally I do not like B12, they have a high and mighty attitude and act like any rudeness or aggression that they take towards others is justified, while anything done them is horrendous and unforgivable.

You're Lawspeaker started walling people, to permanently destroy peoples characters before anything was even stolen from them. You think that is the wisest choice he could make? I'm sorry, but I do not understand your logic.

Apparently you missed the "not" part of what I said. I said I am not sure it was the best course of action.

Step 1. Your town representative and followers start walling in anyone who seems suspicious.
Step 2. Someone retaliates and walls in your town.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. People retaliating against your actions are evil and unforgivable. All your actions are right, and all of their actions are wrong.

It should be noted that Potjeh was not our Lawspeaker at the time, and he has already said that he feels he should have dealt with the issue differently. Followers walling people in? Do you mean Adam walling in that guy by his property? First of all, Adam can be somewhat of a loose cannon sometimes, so try not to judge us on his behavior.

Second, Adam only surrounded that hearth fire in fires, which could be easily removed.

Third, that whole situation turned out just fine after they spoke together like reasonable individuals.

Forgiveness? Sorry but you don't even know who I am, and I couldn't care less about your forgiveness.
Punishment? Other than walling in one of my characters, which was not a punishment as I had done nothing yet, you killed a 5 minute old character that I was expecting to lose eventually.
Inexcusable? If my actions of walling people in was "inexcusable", then so were yours.

I thought we killed two of your throw-away alts. Whatever, I probably should have said, the punishments we have dealt unto you, and punishments we have yet to deal out.

I figured you would prefer that we forgive you rather than continue to kill you on sight for the rest of your H&H playing career. Some of us dwarvish folk have been known to hold grudges for extremely long periods of time.

I'll get to the inexcusable thing in a minute.

Here was my logic

Step 1. Block in all the hearths in B12, don't need to worry about them getting upset since they seem to think walling people in is fair game
Step 2. B12 cries to Loftar to remove all the walls blocking hearths
Step 3. Loftar removes all the walls blocking the hearths, B12 learns that they shouldn't just go around blocking people in
Step 4. Everyone in B12 is free, myself included

Though I admit my plan failed, so I decided to stop blocking you guys in.

So naturally you decided to hurt many innocents in an attempt to convince one person not to do something. This is what is inexcusable. Also, stop referring to us all as "B12", B12 this, B12 that. We are individuals, not some sort of hive-mind.

[Raephire]

Hmm. If this keeps up, b12 may want to reconsider who their lawspeaker is officially.

[Hamel]

Hmm. If this keeps up, b12 may want to reconsider who their lawspeaker is officially.

Nonsense. Potjeh is wiser than this situation would lead you to believe.

Besides, I don't think you can change Lawspeakers at the moment.

[ybobjoe]

Not "peoples", but 'person".

And, yes I think it is.


1. You trespassed on his claims and snooped in his steel crucibles.
2. You had no right to be in Bottleneck in the first place.
3. You hid your hearth fire behind a cabin.
4. BN had experienced many recent thefts.


Based on that evidence, it seems pretty obvious that you were in BN to steal and/or grief.

Anyway, Potjeh said that he wouldn't have walled you in if you hadn't hid your hearth fire behind a cabin.

You're last line is the reason why I said started to wall in people. He literally declared that from now on, he would wall in anyone that has a hidden hearth. And walling people in to purposely trap their character forever is a far greater offense than snooping or even stealing for that matter.

All things considered, I'd say that he handled this situation exactly as I would have handled it, except for one thing: if I had found your hearth fire in a summonable position, I would have killed you.

You also have to understand that, at the time, there were many thieves stealing things, but no one was able to retaliate because they hid their hearth fires. It was a very frustrating situation.

He would have killed me too, don't kid yourself. Also I had ample chance to wall in Wandering Monk, but I chose not to, because it is more of an exploit and worse than thieving and guess what I thought he would have done if I had walled him in.

Apparently you missed the "not" part of what I said. I said I am not sure it was the best course of action.

That was a jab at you telling me that my actions were a bad idea. What I did was a consequence of his actions. Walling someone in when your part of a huge community that they can easily wall back.. Not a good idea, and kind of an obvious consequence.

Adam only surrounded that hearth fire in fires.

Yeah forcing someone to have to wait 20+ minutes before they can start playing again is only grieving. Also you guys called Loftar to fix half the stuff in less than 20 mins after you discovered you were being walled in.

I thought we killed two of your throw-away alts. Whatever, I probably should have said, the punishments we have dealt unto you, and punishments we have yet to deal out.

I figured you would prefer that we forgive you rather than continue to kill you on sight for the rest of your H&H playing career. Some of us dwarvish folk have been known to hold grudges for extremely long periods of time.

If you killed 2 people you killed someone who was not me. And I already explained the part where you don't know who I am.

So naturally you decided to hurt many innocents in an attempt to convince one person not to do something. This is what is inexcusable. Also, stop referring to us all as "B12", B12 this, B12 that. We are individuals, not some sort of hive-mind.

Did I really hurt anyone? I pissed off a few people, but Loftar has already removed most of what I have done. Which leads us back to your second point. Apparently I did nothing wrong since it could easily be removed, you just have to wait a bit.