The U.S. Goverment

[pyrale]

And no, political ideals aren't that important to me (I mostly support these because they seem to work very well in places like Sweden), it's just that it infuriates me that you live in what is arguably the world's best country and you want to ruin it. It's like spilling water in front of a thirsty man.

Fuck yeah.

Who are you, and why are you in my thread?

I'm trying to determine if you're trolling very subtly or serious.
By the way, sweden being #1 or close in most human development standards is certainly not something you owe to your 19th century ancestors.

however you two look at it, as long as their royal family get paid for being royal family by the nations taxes for food, clothes and all expenses spent on guards, servants, educations, vacations and whatever, and people do not vote nor government has a say on the decisions, then it is not total democracy, is it?

Got no royalty in my country, but sweden is by far more democratic than here (atleast these days) :d.

[Potjeh]

Well I'd say that Sweden is a lot better place to live than USA, which is closer to your political ideals.

You are such a fucking idiot. You're just insulting jorb at the moment, you don't think jorb has thought about this himself already? Anyway, it just shows your ignorance. While it is true that the rhetoric in the USA is more in line with libertarianism, it isn't more libertarian. First of all, the completely unnecessary wars that the USA has been fighting now for I don't know how long, they've come at a cost. In Sweden, the tax rate is nominally high, but then the printing presses aren't churning out money and our budget situation has been pretty stable since the early 90s. In the USA they're capitalizing on their credibility as the leading economic power of the world and basically destroying their currency just to stay afloat. Now, this is a form of taxation, a tax on saving. You are too stupid to see it though, and instead you're just insulting jorb.

The corporate tax rate in Sweden is also lower than in the USA and we don't have things like the patriot act (yet). Also, you seem to be ignorant of how easy Swedish law is to grok compared to American law. The law book can be a huge hurdle to business activity and stifle it in so many ways. In Sweden the law stifles businesses as well, but an order of magnitude less than in the USA.

So if you accept inflating the money supply as a tax (which any smart person will), then the tax situation in Sweden and the USA is quite comparable. As for social freedom, I think it's a pretty close race actually.
For libertarians both the american system and the current Swedish system are abominations. So, if you want to continue this discussion, please sit the fuck down in the boat and stop it with these useless bullshit sentences that only distract and have no real value. Retard.

Fuck you too.

[niltrias]

Well I'd say that Sweden is a lot better place to live than USA, which is closer to your political ideals.

You are such a fucking idiot. You're just insulting jorb at the moment, you don't think jorb has thought about this himself already? Anyway, it just shows your ignorance. While it is true that the rhetoric in the USA is more in line with libertarianism, it isn't more libertarian. First of all, the completely unnecessary wars that the USA has been fighting now for I don't know how long, they've come at a cost. In Sweden, the tax rate is nominally high, but then the printing presses aren't churning out money and our budget situation has been pretty stable since the early 90s. In the USA they're capitalizing on their credibility as the leading economic power of the world and basically destroying their currency just to stay afloat. Now, this is a form of taxation, a tax on saving. You are too stupid to see it though, and instead you're just insulting jorb.

The corporate tax rate in Sweden is also lower than in the USA and we don't have things like the patriot act (yet). Also, you seem to be ignorant of how easy Swedish law is to grok compared to American law. The law book can be a huge hurdle to business activity and stifle it in so many ways. In Sweden the law stifles businesses as well, but an order of magnitude less than in the USA.

So if you accept inflating the money supply as a tax (which any smart person will), then the tax situation in Sweden and the USA is quite comparable. As for social freedom, I think it's a pretty close race actually.
For libertarians both the american system and the current Swedish system are abominations. So, if you want to continue this discussion, please sit the fuck down in the boat and stop it with these useless bullshit sentences that only distract and have no real value. Retard.

Wow. you just broke my drivel barrier in a way not done since voodoodog.

[pyrale]

For libertarians both the american system and the current Swedish system are abominations. So, if you want to continue this discussion, please sit the fuck down in the boat and stop it with these useless bullshit sentences that only distract and have no real value. Retard.

Somalia better ?
Oh wait ...

[ArvinJA]

By the way, sweden being #1 or close in most human development standards is certainly not something you owe to your 19th century ancestors.

So I guess you've never heard of capital accumulation? Also, Sweden hasn't really done that well since the 70s, when incidentally government started expanding like there was no tomorrow (good thing that someone shot the Prime Minister Olof Palme so pragmatic social democrats could undo some of the economic evils).

Somalia better ?
Oh wait ...

Somalia is a failed state, there's chaos in Somalia. If you want to equate chaos with anarchy or small/no government, that is up to you. However, you'd be wrong.

[pyrale]

So I guess you've never heard of capital accumulation?

So I guess Sweden was the only country to accumulate wealth ?
Curiously, the other countries accumulating wealth didn't manage to perform as well on those tests.

As for somalia, it's a country with no government. Isn't that the dream of every libertarian ?
Oh noes, what most libertarians really want is a government enforcing their right to do whatever with the wealth they have accumulated and at the same time denying others to take that wealth off them.

[cloakblade]

On thing that becomes a flaw with any form of democracy is that its based around the people which sounds like a good idea, but when the average person is too fat and happy to become more educated then it becomes easier for someone corrupt to step into higher offices. Though if everyone on is educated well someone corrupt will probably get into office but at least he'll be smart as all hell. That what I'm seeing in America now a days is not enough people willing to stand up, I know I'm not free of this sin.

Also @ sabinati: I see what you did there.

[ArvinJA]

So I guess you've never heard of capital accumulation?

So I guess Sweden was the only country to accumulate wealth ?
Curiously, the other countries accumulating wealth didn't manage to perform as well on those tests.

Are you seriously asking me for anecdotal evidence because you are too lazy to look up an economic concept that is new to you and figure out how it applies to the situation and come back with something coherent?

As for somalia, it's a country with no government. Isn't that the dream of every libertarian ?
Oh noes, what most libertarians really want is a government enforcing their right to do whatever with the wealth they have accumulated and at the same time denying others to take that wealth off them.

Somalia it is a shitty country with warlords (mini-governments) pirates and Islamic militias (claiming to be governments), if you were intellectually honest you wouldn't bring it up.

[Tonkyhonk]

both the U.S. and Japan have been accumulating huge debts every year instead of wealth

lately many Japanese politicians talk a lot about adopting swedish systems instead of american, in order to make it better here, mostly welfare-wise.
it had never occured to me that it was because those politicians were stupid enough not to have learned the truth but only to brag out what they thought they knew. if the current swedish government is doing as bad as you say, that is.

[ArvinJA]

both the U.S. and Japan have been accumulating huge debts every year instead of wealth

lately many Japanese politicians talk a lot about adopting swedish systems instead of american, in order to make it better here, mostly welfare-wise.
it had never occured to me that it was because those politicians were stupid enough not to have learned the truth but only to brag out what they thought they knew. if the current swedish government is doing as bad as you say, that is.

Japan was stagnating before as a result of inflationism, if "beocming more like Sweden" means stopping that, then by all means, that is a wise and very libertarian choice. Unfortunately, recent events will probably lead to inflation in Japan spiraling out of control. Before that it was only controlled by the low time preference of the people of Japan, a psychological trait that is pretty worthwhile for any society.