Debate about RMT in Haven and Hearth

[Tonkyhonk]

debating the morality? of his trade has nothing to do with the trade

im probably not going to approve of some moral crusade against these trades unless one of the devs state they do not want this happening on their forum

at least, loftar once mentioned he never liked "trade threads" since it would totally lose the point of real trading to him. quite a while ago and i cant bother to search to quote him.

[Skorm]

People have to big enough to understand they are taking a risk but every single thing you do in this game is a risk. Find a way to minimize your lose if it turns out they are scamming you.

As far as the balance issue that's an issue bigger than real money transactions. I'm selling curios, it's not instant power and the big organized villages won't fall behind the rich kid because they still have the same study time. Bots give you more of an advantage than buying curios would for fucks sake. If people start selling gear and stuff then they are basically choosing to get screwed latter on.

you should grow big enough to understand if you would appreciate such money transactions coming to your game if you were the developer and share the game with your friends for free and/or for testing.
you want money? stop playing games and go work in real life to earn you some. dont chase after 2 rabbits to end up with none.

i am kinda sure that jorb and loftar would look at this as an interesting phenomena rather than an irritating one, though. but just like custome clients, bots and some minor bugs, i think they would not "officially approve" this even if they dont speak loud against this.

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Rye, not an asshole Question, but, have you sold Something yet ? Just curios

Tok, as you just said, they might or might not be against this, but just like Custom Clients and Macros, It´s something they can´t stop Now, and something they won´t in a while EVEN IF they wanted to.

[DatOneGuy]

debating the morality? of his trade has nothing to do with the trade

im probably not going to approve of some moral crusade against these trades unless one of the devs state they do not want this happening on their forum

at least, loftar once mentioned he never liked "trade threads" since it would totally lose the point of real trading to him. quite a while ago and i cant bother to search to quote him.

Not making a distinction there between trades for real money and trades for in game items.

[Tonkyhonk]

debating the morality? of his trade has nothing to do with the trade

im probably not going to approve of some moral crusade against these trades unless one of the devs state they do not want this happening on their forum

at least, loftar once mentioned he never liked "trade threads" since it would totally lose the point of real trading to him. quite a while ago and i cant bother to search to quote him.

Not making a distinction there between trades for real money and trades for in game items.

to Jackard, (i forgot to say this on my last post)
not the morality, the appropriateness. 1 troll skull for 50$ is stupid, 1 flotsam for 1 pearl is also stupid.

to DoG
think again harder, why loftar hates trade threads? distinction is not the point. the reason behind it is the point.

to Skorm,
we might not be able to stop it, but that doesnt mean mods should encourage it.

[rye130]

you should grow big enough to understand if you would appreciate such money transactions coming to your game if you were the developer and share the game with your friends for free and/or for testing.

Don't understand what your trying to say here. I understand that some people dislike the idea of money transactions but I have yet to see a good argument that it will unbalance the game or ruin it for anybody.

And I have an agreement with one player made whom I will gather curios for and exchange for money. Its not like I can gather enough curios to supply many players with a sufficient amount so an ongoing deal with 1 player is what will work best. I have the goods for the first exchange its just a matter of us being on at the same time.

I forgot to say this in my last post, the whole "time is money" thing. Curiosities take time to study so its not like they can instantly spend their money to become all powerful. Theres a limit to how much LP they can be gaining and I'm sure many of the developed players are constantly studying a full mentory of some of the best curios, its not like having money to spend would allow a person to make more than players are already making. Selling weapons and armors would be more of an unbalancing thing but the people who can make the best gear are probably pretty dedicated players, and I doubt they'd consider selling it because it would only hurt them.

This game really can't be buy to win unless things were changed to be less skill and teamworked based, the most organized dedicated group of players will always be the most powerful.

[Tonkyhonk]

Don't understand what your trying to say here. I understand that some people dislike the idea of money transactions but I have yet to see a good argument that it will unbalance the game or ruin it for anybody.

i am switching my tactics depedning on whom im talking to.
with you, id better talk more about morality cause you seem to be another minor who dont understand real world yet.
now you say, curios wont hurt the game balance, but the original post was about resources. once "curios", such unhurtful item according to you, is approved, then you will start to see more coming in. best armours, best weaps, best resources and maybe even bashing walls, protecting rams, or raid itself and so on. you think decent players wouldnt sell them, but that is only your assumption. many people often do basically anything for real life money, and sooner or later you will find a sweatshop(s) giving you loads of benefits ingame with real life money. when it comes, what would your excuses be?

[DatOneGuy]

1)The point there is that he doesn't like 'trade threads' this is just a type of trade thread being attacked here, In game items for Real Money, as opposed to no one here attacking In game items for in game items trade threads. I may be looking at his meaning wrong, but I assume what he means is that in game trade is what they work towards, not people meeting outside planning trades and porting to trade etc

2)What someone sees as appropriate is up to them, that's why it is their trade thread. As loftar said we can't shit on their trade threads. It's not something he's making specific to them, there is no difference as far as the forums go between trading a troll skull for a flotsam or trading it for $50.

[Skorm]

i am switching my tactics depedning on whom im talking to.
with you, id better talk more about morality cause you seem to be another minor who dont understand real world yet.

lol

[rye130]

Don't understand what your trying to say here. I understand that some people dislike the idea of money transactions but I have yet to see a good argument that it will unbalance the game or ruin it for anybody.

i am switching my tactics depedning on whom im talking to.
with you, id better talk more about morality cause you seem to be another minor who dont understand real world yet.
now you say, curios wont hurt the game balance, but the original post was about resources. once "curios", such unhurtful item according to you, is approved, then you will start to see more coming in. best armours, best weaps, best resources and maybe even bashing walls, protecting rams, or raid itself and so on. you think decent players wouldnt sell them, but that is only your assumption. many people often do basically anything for real life money, and sooner or later you will find a sweatshop(s) giving you loads of benefits ingame with real life money. when it comes, what would your excuses be?

I don't think real life transactions should be approved or promoted but I don't think they should be discouraged nor banned.

Isn't it also your assumption that people will start to sell resources weapons and armors too? My assumption that the players wouldn't sell them is because I've played with the big end-game villages. Its a highly competitive atmosphere, they play for the competition and the enjoyment of the game so if selling the resources and gear would truly ruin the game I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do it.

Also I doubt we would ever see the kinda of sweatshops that games like World of Warcraft have because this is such a small unstable (its run by 2 guys and there are frequentish resets) game. There's not enough money to get a big enough group dedicated to selling stuff that it would ruin the game. They could just get real jobs as you insist I should do if I want to make money.

[rye130]

[quote="Tonkyhonk]
i am switching my tactics depedning on whom im talking to.
with you, id better talk more about morality cause you seem to be another minor who dont understand real world yet.
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lol[/quote]

Didn't even see that part. Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid. I didn't understand what you said because basically what I quoted wasn't even a sentence.