Feminism

[dagrimreefah]

I would appreciate a long paper on it as it is a good and intriguing concept.

Here is one of my favorite writers on the topic, very good read: A Private Law Society

[Potjeh]

If women are less likely to want to go into politics, in a world of perfect equality there'd be less women in the government. And let's face it, people that want to rule generally have oversized egos, and high testosterone levels can cause ego inflation.

[Vespasian]

And that is what is broken in politics. It has become all about the person and no one is loyal to their constituents.

[ValerieHallaway]

Oh they're loyal to their constituents alright. Why do you think monsanto is as big as they are?
Politicians might start out noble, but they decidedly do not bite the hands that feed them, they stay in power and allow some horrible shit to go unquestioned.
That's the real problem with politicians, but that's really more my opinion than anything.

[Vespasian]

More like fact.

[ValerieHallaway]

Let's eat GMOs together <3

[Vespasian]

Yes <3

[Eemerald]

By the way Eemerald, you missed the point of my setting up that post. If a town with 2000 children has one school that can hold 1000, you don't just 'magic' that other 1000 into an education.
When a girl goes to school in Turkey, a boy is left out of that program. That's just math.

You mentioned Islamic countries in general, and how the man is pushed aside because of a girls education and since it's his job to look after the family then she is basically ruining that makeup in society.

WHat I'm suggesting is that maybe, that system in society needs to be changed, and instead of the politics as someone already suggested, only offering places for half the population to study and not considering theres another half who have a huge right to education, not only from an economic stand point, as most figures suggest educating women improves overall society and the economy, but also from a religious stand point because islamically, educating women is like education a nation. What you suggest is that we should accept things for what they are, and leave it be because it makes sense to some people. I really don't agree.

Feminists don't want to be equal. Being a man sucks, and most women wouldn't be able to shoulder it

I'm not sure why being a man is more difficult than being a woman or vice versa, suggesting it, is quite bizarre tbh.

No, feminists want to be better than men.

and no man is better than any woman, be they feminist or not.

That is, this is the case in America.

and here in lies your issue, feminism in the US or in the West, at least the feminism which is glorified and read by men for whatever reason is not the only way feminist think, behave, live, or discuss issues. Those vocal ones you may dislike, are one branch that tends to exist amongst young, western, privileged, white women who will write essays on how Barbie is giving girls body image issues, or how smart phones were created for mens hands and not womens hands...and the likes of that. If you want to actually read feminists work, you need to remove yourself from those bizarre and petty issues, and look at the struggles women face. The issue of gender based violence which grape mentioned is HUGE. Even in the west the rates of sexual abuse, rape, violence and the likes towards women is still a major issue. other countries, and cultures have even more pressing issues, and women are the most violated and ignored . Don't just see feminism from an American lens, and even then you need to broaden it to further than the group I mentioned above, as ever anti feminist thread I've ever read just simply links these as if this is the only view of feminism out there.

People get raises when they ask for it and deserve it. Women don't ask most of the time, they hint and they bitch, but men ask outright. You shouldn't bitch if you never try imo.
Feminists want women to get more money because of their downstairs mixup.

is there no value to a womans reproduction? or is value only in getting a job which pays? I wonder why that is...

When men were first given the vote it was because they first had to sign up for the draft- they bought the right with blood. Women did do an ignominous amount of fighting for it, but only after black men got the vote before them, which implied that they were in some ways better than white women. Now decades later, we fight for social justice- but where is our names on the draft, Eemerald?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, or who you're reffering to in the last part.

Why is it that it's not sexism if it's a man being bullied, and then also, why is it not racism if it's a white person being bullied?

Many would argue it is.

Femenists have never stood for equality, if you really do, you aren't a feminist, you're a human capable of empathy. Implications implied

See I get this a lot, and I always find it an odd argument to present. Yes we are all capable of empathy and we are all human and we all have amazing abilities to support other people. But not all of us do. Also, you can't encompass every single issue someone may have by yourself. If I was gay and wanted support with how to tell my family, I would seek services that understood this situation I was in. If I was an immigrant and wanted support with staying in the host country I was in, I would seek appropriate support from people who dealt with this area. Similarly feminist deal with women related issues, and give a female perspective on issue. and even they will go into specialisms. No one seeks for specific guidance, support an help just from a human who is possibly capable of empathy. I can't imagine many services running in that way.

Either way, feminism is actually about equality of the sexes, although granted, there are many who hate men with a passion, but then they are not the be all and end all of feminist thought.

[overtyped]

New testament:
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

Women's rights?? that's bullshit, i'm a christian, and god clearly says in the bible, that women have no rights.
Any man who supports feminism is not a christian, and are going to burn in hell.

[ValerieHallaway]

I appears to me that you either don't understand anything I said, or you're focusing on the wrong aspects.
edit: It also seems like you're viewing your sisters through rose colored glasses and haven't even tried seeing the world through a man's eyes.

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Lol, shut up Thors, you're like, what, 14 now?