For or against feminism(Plus exclusive Flame comic)

[MagicManICT]

[...]why we need more equality.

You can't have 'more equality.' You either have equality, or you you have "less than equal." There are many parts of the world where you don't have any equality. However, I'm willing to put forth that, in general, the lack of equality in most Industrialized nations is more along economic bounds than race or sex. I'm not saying the parts don't highly correlate, but it's not a matter of getting an equal opportunity anymore, which is what the discussion is about.

@loftar: In my opinion, if a person (man or woman) wants to have a family and put family over job (which should be the case, in my opinion, for at least one person in said family, as someone has to make a living), then that person needs to expect and willing to take a lower wage or have a harder time finding work. On the other hand, being a woman shouldn't be a factor in your consideration OTHER than the plans to start a family. I mean, you're example is one where someone would have to dedicate six months, a year, two years, or possibly more to a single project, and the 'art' becomes as much as an engineering position as it does a creative position (iterative work, design within specifications, etc. etc.) with all the commitment to stay the course as a programmer on a game. What makes it even less of an issue would be if this person could work from home and still get a full workload done (at the same quality) at the same time as taking care of a newborn. This modern world... it blurs lines.

[CTheRain]

Talking about retro feminism... It does a lot of fair things for both sexes. For females it creates a great working environment, gives them rights to work, right to vote, right to do just about everything a man could. And it has done exactly this in mostly ALL 1st world countries like the UK and USA.

But this new neo-nazi feminism bullshit doesn't push equality. It pushes supremacy against men and everything we built now called the patriarchy. For example, my workplace which is a Walgreens Distribution Center out of Anderson, SC when I worked as a HR consultant, mostly saw women pouring in and out of this place. We have a 5:1 ratio, Women/Men here because women tend to be less aggressive in demanding higher wages than what her male counterpart would ask for. Women also tend to not learn as quickly as men, some exceptions... But I've had many fail out of the interview for not paying attention to our OSHA presentation and quiz.

As a current FL on the floor nowadays... I see so many complaints from mostly women about other women. About how Laquisha is having to walk 3 extra yards than Kemanusiaan or some stupid shit like that. And as my FM has told me, I can only address the issue with our entire team in a Tier 3 meeting and I cannot say anything to HR or the IO because they simply don't care who walks more or who does more work, they just want it done and know the requirement for this job is to walk around 7-8 miles a day down a long industrial corridor putting random condoms and heart beat monitors in a tote.

So what I'm trying to say is in the workplace women are the bane in my ass. They complain on average, more than men. They get less work done in the manufacturing industry and they don't pursue higher positions or wages because...?

Also rape... Its as bad as murder mmkay, I was raped by a 12 year old when I was 3. My little tootsie was molested and it made such a lasting impression on me that has fucked up my ability to talk like a normal human IRL. I'm a stammering stuttering kinda guy. I also have panic attacks and have ADHD but that's not related. Which is why when I type you'll find that everything is a bit off...

My wife has as much rights as me, a man. My daughter doesn't because shes only 5 years old and shes simply property until she can think intelligently on her own and made decisions that won't get me sued. Hell pretty much all women in 1st world countries have equal rights. Pay discrimination... Ask for better wages or be more aggressive. You got raped? Were you wearing the skimpiest of outfits, were out drinking with friends and drunk that beer you sat down an hour ago? Not too smart and you'll learn from the experience. If you had sex and regretted it with that jock that only wanted ass and now hes gone and you file a false rape accusation and he gets kicked out of the university because lol school court, you deserve to die. Because my father went to prison because of a false accusation for 5 years.

Child support, Custody, Domesticated Violence. Unfairness in all of that shit is bullshit. Around in SC, if a police officer reports to a DV case he will most likely be arresting the man or accuse the man. The south sucks, women can do no wrong around these parts. Women will get custody and child support around these parts because lawyers tell them to lie about maybe an exaggerated domesticated violence moment of a bitch fight between the spouses yet somehow we fit "He hit me too, once, no bruise though" then boom custody and child support for 18 years for the women. If they were married, maybe alimony. I've told my wife she has so much fucking power over me which is why I won't be married through the state. We had a traditional ceremony.

[Flame]

Ther's a reason why the rape thing is Hard to judge.
Because is an easy tool to ruin someone life.
Because is hard to know if it's real or not.
Because is hard to tell if it have damaged or not the woman.
Because the mind is something that one can't really see.
And often it don't need any official judging to work as a weapon. The News are more than enough to ruin someone's life.


But think that a not well dressed woman deserves the rape, is wrong.

I can walk Naked.
No one have the right to steal my money, also if i'm almost naked, right?
Then, no one have the right to rape my, also if i'm totally naked.
Only the police have the right to caugh me because... well.. naked is forbidden. Lol.

Of course, we feel angry and we say "you're stupid!!! you deserved it!!" when someone have been pickpoket while was throwing his money around. And we feel the same when a pretty bitchy woman get raped while she was throwing her legs around (lolwut?).
But remember. Personal Civil Education is when a person DON'T DO the wrong thing, in every situation he could find.
Who is not a raper, will not rape. Who is not a thief, will not steal.

So, in the end, we can dress more or less, this will not change the person that will hurt us. It will just make him show more easily.

I wear pants, so i'm out of the danger (here, at last), but no one, neither the most stupid woman in the earth, deserves a rape for a dress less or more.
That's just the anger that make us say so.

[overtyped]

Ther's a reason why the rape thing is Hard to judge.
Because is an easy tool to ruin someone life.
Because is hard to know if it's real or not.
Because is hard to tell if it have damaged or not the woman.
Because the mind is something that one can't really see.
And often it don't need any official judging to work as a weapon. The News are more than enough to ruin someone's life.


But think that a not well dressed woman deserves the rape, is wrong.

I can walk Naked.
No one have the right to steal my money, also if i'm almost naked, right?
Then, no one have the right to rape my, also if i'm totally naked.
Only the police have the right to caugh me because... well.. naked is forbidden. Lol.

Of course, we feel angry and we say "you're stupid!!! you deserved it!!" when someone have been pickpoket while was throwing his money around. And we feel the same when a pretty bitchy woman get raped while she was throwing her legs around (lolwut?).
But remember. Personal Civil Education is when a person DON'T DO the wrong thing, in every situation he could find.
Who is not a raper, will not rape. Who is not a thief, will not steal.

So, in the end, we can dress more or less, this will not change the person that will hurt us. It will just make him show more easily.

I wear pants, so i'm out of the danger (here, at last), but no one, neither the most stupid woman in the earth, deserves a rape for a dress less or more.
That's just the anger that make us say so.

I made these exact points on page 2, and I'm still waiting for that picture of haven.

[Flame]

Y-you...


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Edit:

Ok. I surrender....
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[mvgulik]

Like any other socially conscious woman, I am a firm believer in gender equality. Ending workplace discrimination, making reproductive health care affordable—I’ve championed these goals my whole life. They’re important to me, and that’s why the feminist movement frustrates me so much. I’m sorry, but I simply cannot and will not support feminism if it means murdering all men.

Compared to what Wikipedia writes on Feminism, this seems to me a extreme personal and subjective point of view on Feminism. (Probably needed as bases for the rest of the text (skipped by the way).)

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

... Extremism: The natural disease. ...

[borka]

@mv

The Onion is satirical - not naming the source is intended by OP
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont ... all,37301/

if you need a good laugh go Onion

[Massa]

didn't read the rest of the thread
feminists are stupid
their opposition is stupid

if one wants to fight for what matters do it where it matters, eg regions subject to shariah law

[borka]

To call people you don't even know stupid is you know what ...

Don't worry there are enough women that be content with Chauvinists ...

[Massa]

To call people you don't even know stupid is you know what ...

Don't worry there are enough women that be content with Chauvinists ...

I was wrong, quite wrong in my phrasing, and to call me a chauvinist is not very polite or accurate.
Here is what I said, rephrased.

The constant bickering between opposition on social media and mediums of communication are annoying.
These debates and discussion surface everywhere, and quite often they do not focus on real problems, rather on stuff that is pretty common sense that everyone manages to agree upon.
When it comes to the serious stuff, few step up to the plate. What matters and who matter are the people willing to take the risk, be it educating people in oppressed regions or treating disease and bringing food to those who need it, people who abandon their posh backgrounds and go out on their own, risking something, for example the students from Ohio, during the Mississippi Freedom Summer movement.

I'm not trying to contribute to this thread, just tell borka he's stupider than me - as I clearly said I didn't even read the thread. In fact, most of my posts should be moved to Hel.
-A further edit: I don't know the contents of this discussion, so most could be in agreement with me. Not like discussing it makes it better, though.