Junkfist2 wrote:RiverPhoenix wrote:And for those who care to troll you might like to note (fat chance) that I don't condone either, neither do I condemn either.
Passive Aggressive Moral Relativity is the biggest trolling in the history of trolling. It doesn't make you Obi-Wan, it just makes you a whiny pussy.
If you think that's "passive aggressive" then you are clearly much more inured to these things and I need a bigger hammer to be aggressive with (or you have limited skills in English). As for "moral relativity" that would assume I knew the history of the world to be better or worse should either have or have not happened. I generally assume humans will act generally as they have acted in the past and this leads me to believe that these acts generally help prevent longer term suffering in the end because humans are (excuse my crudity) bastards, especially when it comes to dealing with people whom they have demonised. Call me a utilitarian, far enough, but extreme moral relativists should be put up against a wall and shot.
Krantarin wrote:I wonder how much USA propaganda Jorb and Loftar are getting in Sweden

Krantarin wrote:I'll concede most of your point, but the limited amount that you're stating makes it sound very much like propaganda to me, as well. Imperial Japanese Government had repeatedly stated its intent to fight on to the bitter end.
Yes, I'll grant the the government might have been willing to fight but how much resistance do you normally get from a nation that has already lost? You get it from those who do not know it has lost or even that it has reached their homeland (there were many cases of this due to Japan's island tropical set-up and lack of communication equipment) and you get it from those few who will fight to the end. Also if what the Japanese Government had said were to be true then why are there any Japanese still living? In fact huge numbers of Japanese still live but almost (or by some accounts no) Native American Indians remain in the USA. Why?
Potjeh wrote:There were numerous attempts to assassinate Hitler, and they all failed. I think he would've been as hard to assassinate as Castro, if not even harder.
Only when there is a war on and they're paranoid... if they are completely paranoid all the time might as well just leave them to it because they aren't going to last long as a leader - that was where Castro succeeded; he tread a fine line successfully (very, very rare in history).
Potjeh wrote:I don't have any statistics to back me up or anything, but
... but I'm going to present it as an argument anyway...
Potjeh wrote:I think that Japanese were actually even worse than Germans when it comes to war crimes in WW II.
Since they'd just been defeated in Manchuria (anyone know much about that?) and China was on the rise again then maybe what would have happened would be that China would not now own the USA ('s national debt - same difference in the long run). And maybe Japanese youngsters wouldn't feel like the USA is occupying their country and hate them with a passion... though I only have personal experience of talking to a hundred or so of them over the years to base that on - I meant do the British ever get uptight about their occupation by the USA? Not to a degree that would incite country wide marches or anything but they've as many military bases here as they have in Japan - just not so obvious.
Anyway, this lot should probably go to bed now.
I liked the tribute and the symbol of well-being at the end was particularly poignant - may this be a less to us all and may his death not be in vain - take care out there and dev's, maybe you guys can think of a way that both sorts of players can play without this sort of thing becoming common place?
Be happy

River
