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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby MightyAgrippa » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:21 am

Astarisk wrote:It seems to me this new change in the LP system has the opposite effect. If you die it puts you even further behind then were you would normally be with no hope of catching up.


because of the way the math works, if you're gaining lp at the same rate you're always catching up.

crafting: the real cap on q is resource q, so once your farming/smithing/sewing*dex/whatever is caught up with materials you are good. catch-up is over.

combat: skill points increase with the square root of lp spent. i leave the math as an exercise for the reader. and since combat multiplier relies on square root of skill, multiplier increases with fourth root of lp spent. that's slow!

hypothetical example: alice and bob have 200 unarmed each (about 2 million lp). after a month of play. alice dies at full change. due to awesome town infrastructure, she comes back gaining lp at about the same rate as bob. one month later, she has 2.5 million lp and 223 unarmed. bob has 4 million, which is about 283 unarmed. sqrt(223/283) = .887, so she's hitting 88% as hard as she would with equal UA. bad in a duel, but if you're dueling then you deserve what you get. seems fine in an actual world combat scenario.

FEP works pretty much the same way, but isn't subject to some of limitations LP has. you can grind stats for as long as you can tolerate it.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby MightyAgrippa » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:30 am

burgingham wrote:I am not saying much about those gold bars, because I agree that we should not have gotten them by Jorb. The troll he is he probably gave them to us precisely for the prospect of this causing drama on the forums ;)


don't wink while you're lying to me. you used the gold. i'm not calling you out because i don't like you. you seem pretty cool. i'm calling you out because you used the gold and when this world is over and someone brags about the gold, i'll be right and i'll win The Prize.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby Astarisk » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:36 am

MightyAgrippa wrote:
Astarisk wrote:It seems to me this new change in the LP system has the opposite effect. If you die it puts you even further behind then were you would normally be with no hope of catching up.


because of the way the math works, if you're gaining lp at the same rate you're always catching up.

crafting: the real cap on q is resource q, so once your farming/smithing/sewing*dex/whatever is caught up with materials you are good. catch-up is over.

combat: skill points increase with the square root of lp spent. i leave the math as an exercise for the reader. and since combat multiplier relies on square root of skill, multiplier increases with fourth root of lp spent. that's slow!

hypothetical example: alice and bob have 200 unarmed each (about 2 million lp). after a month of play. alice dies at full change. due to awesome town infrastructure, she comes back gaining lp at about the same rate as bob. one month later, she has 2.5 million lp and 223 unarmed. bob has 4 million, which is about 283 unarmed. sqrt(223/283) = .887, so she's hitting 88% as hard as she would with equal UA. bad in a duel, but if you're dueling then you deserve what you get. seems fine in an actual world combat scenario.

FEP works pretty much the same way, but isn't subject to some of limitations LP has. you can grind stats for as long as you can tolerate it.


Whelp, since you actually took the time to do the math (i was a bit too lazy). Ill have to concede defeat on that point I suppose. Didn't think it would play in at such a low amount of LP.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby DeBosh » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:41 am

MightyAgrippa wrote:
burgingham wrote:I am not saying much about those gold bars, because I agree that we should not have gotten them by Jorb. The troll he is he probably gave them to us precisely for the prospect of this causing drama on the forums ;)


don't wink while you're lying to me. you used the gold. i'm not calling you out because i don't like you. you seem pretty cool. i'm calling you out because you used the gold and when this world is over and someone brags about the gold, i'll be right and i'll win The Prize.

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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby DatOneGuy » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:46 am

MightyAgrippa wrote:
burgingham wrote:I am not saying much about those gold bars, because I agree that we should not have gotten them by Jorb. The troll he is he probably gave them to us precisely for the prospect of this causing drama on the forums ;)


don't wink while you're lying to me. you used the gold. i'm not calling you out because i don't like you. you seem pretty cool. i'm calling you out because you used the gold and when this world is over and someone brags about the gold, i'll be right and i'll win The Prize.

It will probably be used, the people who got it and who used it don't have a problem with the principle of receiving it, they simply don't want to waste it.

However as of yet it hasn't been used.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby MightyAgrippa » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:08 am

DatOneGuy wrote:the people who got it and who used it don't have a problem with the principle of receiving it


burgingham wrote:I am not saying much about those gold bars, because I agree that we should not have gotten them by Jorb


hey, get your lies straight guys. no reason to get sloppy just because boris badenov is chasing moose and squirrel through xsyon instead of the hearthlands.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby burgingham » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:21 am

No idea where your anger is coming from Agrippa, or are you just bored there is no drama in the hearthlands and felt it was time to play the good ole "bash the Sodomite" game again?

Darki and Hiro received those gold bars and still have them on their alts. I have never even seen them. Nobody of us here is trying to make politics or anything, it feels like you are eager to stir up some drama about something that has been discussed long ago already.
Again, we shouldn't have gotten the gold bars. They are pretty much useless at this point of the game anyway though. What would we even make out of them?
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby DatOneGuy » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:26 am

MightyAgrippa wrote:
DatOneGuy wrote:the people who got it and who used it don't have a problem with the principle of receiving it


burgingham wrote:I am not saying much about those gold bars, because I agree that we should not have gotten them by Jorb


hey, get your lies straight guys. no reason to get sloppy just because boris badenov is chasing moose and squirrel through xsyon instead of the hearthlands.

Darki and Hiro got it not us.
I just joined 4 days ago, didn't even know of this til now, I disagree with it, but it was jorb's decision, as always no one asked for it, jorb just gave it. Is it unfair? Maybe. Did he do it probably just for drama? Yeah. Don't care much cause it's not mine, I just don't like being called a cheater and abuser because I'm part of `Sodom` and `Sodom` received gold bars.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby Windforce » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:28 am

Gold Hooks of course.
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Re: FUCK DEVS, FUCK THIS GAME

Postby Jackard » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:54 am

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